{"id":25537,"date":"2018-11-09T11:31:26","date_gmt":"2018-11-09T01:01:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/?p=25537"},"modified":"2018-11-09T11:31:26","modified_gmt":"2018-11-09T01:01:26","slug":"sonnen-battery-prices-sa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/sonnen-battery-prices-sa\/","title":{"rendered":"Punters Surprised: Prices Publicised Show Batteries Subsidised Cost More Than Surmised"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_25682\" style=\"width: 1210px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-25682\" class=\"wp-image-25682 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/dr-brakels.jpg\" alt=\"sonnen battery prices\" width=\"1200\" height=\"628\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/dr-brakels.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/dr-brakels-300x157.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/dr-brakels-768x402.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/dr-brakels-1024x536.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-25682\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Prices Sonnen Has Published Show Their SA Subsidised Batteries Of Any Size Ain&#8217;t Cheap!<\/p><\/div>\n<p>In what could have been good news, Sonnen&#8217;s Australian website now gives prices for home battery systems bought directly from them after the South Australian battery subsidy is applied.\u00a0 <!--more-->Unfortunately, they are not cheap and range from $9,375 for a 6 kilowatt-hour battery to $15,175 for 14 kilowatt-hours.<\/p>\n<p>This graphic from their site shows prices for systems ranging from 6 to 14 kilowatt-hours:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-25655 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/sonnenprices.jpg\" alt=\"Sonnen battery system prices\" width=\"1679\" height=\"794\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/sonnenprices.jpg 1679w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/sonnenprices-300x142.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/sonnenprices-768x363.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/sonnenprices-1024x484.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1679px) 100vw, 1679px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>At these prices it&#8217;s essentially impossible for the battery systems to pay for themselves.\u00a0 The good news is you can shop around and get a better deal from one of Sonnen&#8217;s partners.\u00a0 It appears you have to pay a premium to buy direct from Sonnen.<\/p>\n<h2>The Type Of Sonnen Battery Is Unclear<\/h2>\n<p>The batteries are called &#8220;sonnenInklusiv&#8221;.\u00a0 Using my translation program I see the word &#8220;inklusiv&#8221; in German means &#8220;LANGUAGE NOT RECOGNIZED&#8221;, which is an interesting choice to call a battery. But I like it.\u00a0 To me it says, &#8220;Our batteries don&#8217;t care what language you speak.\u00a0 They just work.&#8221;\u00a0 Also, &#8220;inklusiv&#8221; sort of sounds like the English word &#8220;inclusive&#8221; so it&#8217;s easy to remember.<\/p>\n<p>The sonnenInklusiv batteries increase in capacity in two kilowatt-hour steps.\u00a0 This means they use 2 kilowatt-hour battery modules like Sonnen&#8217;s 8th generation and earlier systems.\u00a0 But Sonnen&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/sonnen-battery-update-review\/\">9th generation batteries<\/a> use 2.5 kilowatt-hour battery modules.\u00a0 This means I&#8217;m not certain what generation they are and I don&#8217;t know if they are going to stick with 2 kilowatt-hour modules or change to 2.5.<\/p>\n<p>Just to make things a little more confusing, Sonnen&#8217;s Australian site used to say their systems increased in 2 kilowatt-hour steps, but at some point in the recent past they changed it to 2.5 kilowatt-hours.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_25657\" style=\"width: 383px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-25657\" class=\"wp-image-25657 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/sonnensitesize.jpg\" alt=\"Sonnen battery capacity\" width=\"373\" height=\"195\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/sonnensitesize.jpg 373w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/sonnensitesize-300x157.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 373px) 100vw, 373px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-25657\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">From Sonnen&#8217;s Australian website.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Currently it appears that both types can be obtained from Sonnen&#8217;s partners.<\/p>\n<h2>Includes Installation?<\/h2>\n<p>The Sonnen battery prices should definitely include installation.\u00a0 Surely they would have to?\u00a0 Given the prices they are charging after subsidy I find it inconceivable there could be an additional charge for installation.<\/p>\n<div class=\"youtube-wrapper\"><iframe title=\"Inconceivable! High Quality\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/OHVjs4aobqs?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p>However, on the Sonnen site it doesn&#8217;t actually say it includes installation.\u00a0 I&#8217;m sure it does, but if you are getting one, check just in case.<\/p>\n<h2>Will They Pay For Themselves?\u00a0 Inconceivable!<\/h2>\n<p>At the prices Sonnen is charging, these batteries won&#8217;t pay for themselves under realistic conditions.\u00a0 It&#8217;s not even possible for the smaller batteries under wildly optimistic conditions.\u00a0 To show you what I mean, let&#8217;s look at the sonnenInklusiv 10 kilowatt-hour battery.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-25660 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/inklusiv10.jpg\" alt=\"Sonnnen battery payback\" width=\"336\" height=\"179\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/inklusiv10.jpg 336w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/inklusiv10-300x160.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 336px) 100vw, 336px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s say you use 10 kilowatt-hours of stored electricity from it everyday.\u00a0 That&#8217;s more than is reasonable to expect for any normal household, but let&#8217;s just run with it.\u00a0 In South Australia <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/systems\/feed-in-tariffs\/sa\/\">solar feed-in tariffs<\/a> of 16 cents or more are common and grid electricity costs around 38 cents a kilowatt-hour.<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/sonnen-battery-prices-sa\/#en-25537-1' id='enref-25537-1' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(25537)'>1<\/a><\/sup>\u00a0 If the battery system has a round trip efficiency of 90% then each kilowatt-hour of storage used at night will only reduce your electricity bill by about 20 cents.\u00a0 This is because when you store solar energy in the battery for later use you forgo the feed-in tariff you would have received and you have to put more than one kilowatt-hour in to get one-kilowatt-hour out.\u00a0 This means the battery would save around $2 a day.<\/p>\n<p>Over a year the savings would come to $730.\u00a0 At this rate it would take over 16 years to save the $11,775 purchase price of a battery with a 10 year warranty.\u00a0 If you take a more realistic approach and take into account normal expected usage, capacity deterioration, and cost of capital, things get much worse.\u00a0 The two larger batteries cost about 8% less per kilowatt-hour but that&#8217;s not enough to make them pay for themselves and the cost per kilowatt-hour is considerably greater for the smaller batteries.\u00a0 If 6 kilowatt-hours of stored energy is used everyday from a 6 kilowatt-hour battery, it would take over 20 years for the savings to equal the purchase price.<\/p>\n<h2>Sonnen Offers Finance At 4.2% Or Less<\/h2>\n<p>Low interest loans are available as part of the battery subsidy and also apply to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/solar101.html\">rooftop solar<\/a> purchased along with a battery.\u00a0 While Sonnen&#8217;s prices are high, the interest rate charged if you decide to borrow to buy the battery aren&#8217;t.\u00a0 This image shows the monthly charges you will pay over 84 installments (7 years) if you finance the purchase:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-25665 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/sonnenfinance.jpg\" alt=\"sonnen battery finance\" width=\"1658\" height=\"475\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/sonnenfinance.jpg 1658w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/sonnenfinance-300x86.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/sonnenfinance-768x220.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/sonnenfinance-1024x293.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1658px) 100vw, 1658px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The interest rate comes to 4.2% for the smallest battery and gets down to 3.8% for the largest one.\u00a0 That&#8217;s better than I expected.\u00a0 If you decide to finance your battery, check the interest rates as they may vary.<\/p>\n<h2>The Sonnen Site Needs Work<\/h2>\n<p>If you go to the Sonnen site and tell it you want to &#8220;claim your battery subsidy&#8221; the first steps are easy.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-25667\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/claim.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"484\" height=\"76\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/claim.jpg 484w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/claim-300x47.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 484px) 100vw, 484px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>You answer some straight forward questions and they recommend an expensive battery.\u00a0 But after that it gets weird.<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>\u00a0They ask for your NMI number without telling you what it is or that it&#8217;s on your electricity bill.\u00a0 (It&#8217;s your National Meter Identifier number.)<\/li>\n<li>They ask for your meter ID without saying what it is or showing pictures of electricity meters with its location pointed out.<\/li>\n<li>They ask for identification details at a point when no one should have decided to buy the battery as no technical details have been given apart from its capacity and this doesn&#8217;t match up with information elsewhere on their site.<\/li>\n<li>They ask &#8220;Are you operating a life support machine?&#8221;<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/sonnen-battery-prices-sa\/#en-25537-2' id='enref-25537-2' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(25537)'>2<\/a><\/sup> which is reasonable, but then they ask, &#8220;Do you have multiple sclerosis?&#8221; with no explanation of why they are asking about that particular condition and not others.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>I suspect very few people have decided to go ahead and purchase from Sonnen after seeing their prices, otherwise enough people would have complained for them to fix this.\u00a0 But this is just a suspicion of mine.\u00a0 I could be wrong.\u00a0 Maybe they&#8217;ve sold &#8212; I don&#8217;t know, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/sa-battery-subsidy-update\/#comment-269974\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">say 20,000 units<\/a>?<\/p>\n<p>I was planning to enter all the numbers and identifying information they wanted so I could move on to the next page and see what was there, but for some reason I became nervous and couldn&#8217;t bring myself to do it.\u00a0 I don&#8217;t know why.\u00a0 It&#8217;s not as if a German company would misuse the information<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/sonnen-battery-prices-sa\/#en-25537-3' id='enref-25537-3' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(25537)'>3<\/a><\/sup>.<\/p>\n<h2>You Can Shop Around For A Cheaper Sonnen Battery<\/h2>\n<p>Fortunately, it&#8217;s possible to get Sonnen batteries at a lower cost from Sonnen&#8217;s partners than directly from Sonnen themselves.\u00a0 This isn&#8217;t really surprising when you think about it because there wouldn&#8217;t be much point in becoming a Sonnen partner if Sonnen was going to install batteries at a lower price than you could.\u00a0 One potential customer told me he was quoted almost $1,000 less by one of Sonnen&#8217;s partner&#8217;s.\u00a0 I&#8217;ve also been told by Mark Moody of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/installer-review\/solaworx-\/\">Solaworx<\/a> that he has organised a 12.5 kilowatt-hour Sonnen system for $11,500.\u00a0 Going by cost per kilowatt-hour that&#8217;s over $2,000 cheaper than a similar sized battery direct from Sonnen.\u00a0 Clearly it pays to shop around.<\/p>\n<h2>More Choice Starting Next Year<\/h2>\n<p>At the moment only Sonnen batteries receive the South Australian subsidy because they&#8217;re building an assembly plant in Adelaide.\u00a0 Other battery manufacturers will be able to receive it at the start of next year.\u00a0 Or possibly the 30th of December depending on how literal the state government was being when they said 9 weeks after the start of the scheme.\u00a0 At that point, whenever it is, there should be much more choice and competition.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t know what battery systems will be able to receive the subsidy, but one that&#8217;s likely is the Tesla Powerwall 2.\u00a0 Tesla recently increased both <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/tesla-powerwall-2-price-rise\/\">its price<\/a> and their estimate of how much it will cost to install.\u00a0 According to them it was a coincidence this happened just before the South Australian subsidy started.\u00a0 If we use the middle of their installation estimate then after the subsidy is applied an installed Powerwall 2 will cost $9,275.\u00a0 That&#8217;s 39% less than the $15,175 Sonnen is asking for their similar sized 14 kilowatt-hour battery. And the Powerwall 2 comes with backup.<\/p>\n<p>Hopefully there will soon be a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/battery-storage\/comparison-table\/\">wide range of batteries<\/a> available under the subsidy.\u00a0 I suspect Sonnen&#8217;s will be among the higher quality ones.<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/sonnen-battery-prices-sa\/#en-25537-4' id='enref-25537-4' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(25537)'>4<\/a><\/sup>\u00a0 But unless they lower their prices they are not going to be among the cost effective ones.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In what could have been good news, Sonnen&#8217;s Australian website now gives prices for home battery systems bought directly from them after the South Australian battery subsidy is applied.\u00a0<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":10,"featured_media":25682,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[551],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-25537","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-battery-storage","entry"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v27.2 (Yoast SEO v27.2) - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-premium-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Sonnen&#039;s South Australian Battery Prices Revealed. 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