{"id":26419,"date":"2018-12-13T13:10:33","date_gmt":"2018-12-13T02:40:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/?p=26419"},"modified":"2024-06-05T11:59:58","modified_gmt":"2024-06-05T02:29:58","slug":"queensland-battery-grant","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/queensland-battery-grant\/","title":{"rendered":"It Appears Impossible To Save Money With The Queensland Battery Grant"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_26546\" style=\"width: 1210px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-26546\" class=\"wp-image-26546 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/qld-battery-rebate.jpg\" alt=\"Queensland battery grant - a useless subsidy?\" width=\"1200\" height=\"628\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/qld-battery-rebate.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/qld-battery-rebate-300x157.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/qld-battery-rebate-768x402.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/qld-battery-rebate-1024x536.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-26546\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Don&#8217;t Rush Into Getting A $3,000 QLD Battery Grant:\u00a0 It Can Cost You Dearly.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Yesterday a Queenslander asked me for advice.\u00a0 This is not unusual.\u00a0 I&#8217;m originally from Queensland, so I understand their primitive ways.\u00a0 I also take care to maintain their respect by never making fun of my home state and only ever saying things about it that are factually true.\u00a0 Such as the plants <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Dendrocnide_moroides\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">want to kill you<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>This Queenslander asked me if he should take advantage of his state&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/queensland-battery-grants-mb0828\/\">$3,000 battery grant scheme<\/a>.\u00a0<!--more--><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Update 25th February 2024:\u00a0 The QLD battery grant scheme has ended but a new &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.epw.qld.gov.au\/about\/initiatives\/battery-booster-program\">Battery Booster<\/a>&#8221; subsidy program offering up to $4,000 will begin in early 2024.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>There are only a total of 2,500 packages available so he was wondering if he should get in quick before they run out.\u00a0 After all, there are 5 million people in the sunshine state, which means there&#8217;s only 1 rebate for every 770 households or 0.13% of Queensland homes.<\/p>\n<p>He sent me a quote he had been given for a battery system.\u00a0 I looked over it and told him that, with optimistic assumptions, after 10 years with this battery system, he will have lost over $3,000.\u00a0 This is with the grant he assumed would save him money.\u00a0 While I haven&#8217;t checked the prices for every battery system that can receive the rebate, to me it looks as though it is impossible for Queensland households to save money using the battery rebate.<\/p>\n<p>This is simply atrocious.\u00a0 If my Queensland pal had been a little more impetuous &#8212; a little more eager to make sure he got the grant &#8212; and bought the battery assuming it would save him him money he would have ended up losing thousands of dollars.\u00a0 This is a ridiculous situation where tax money is being taken from Queenslanders and used to help Queenslanders lose money.\u00a0 The battery manufacturer would make a profit and the installer as well, but the person the rebate is supposed to help will be harmed.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_26542\" style=\"width: 668px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-26542\" class=\"wp-image-26542 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/sneakyqld.jpg\" alt=\"Queensland\" width=\"658\" height=\"498\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/sneakyqld.jpg 658w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/sneakyqld-300x227.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 658px) 100vw, 658px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-26542\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Here we see Queensland sneakily preparing to stab New Guinea once continental drift picks up.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>To be clear, as far as I am aware, the installer did absolutely nothing wrong.\u00a0 My contact simply asked how much a battery would cost and they gave him a quote without any arm twisting or claims it would save him money.\u00a0 But people who are looking to save money on electricity bills could easily assume a battery system partly paid for by the Queensland government will do that. The truth is: it will actually lose them money.\u00a0 It&#8217;s not like <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/solar101.html\">rooftop solar<\/a> where you&#8217;re almost certain to come out ahead so long as the solar panels aren&#8217;t installed upside down<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/queensland-battery-grant\/#en-26419-1' id='enref-26419-1' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(26419)'>1<\/a><\/sup>.<\/p>\n<p>I think the problem is so serious that state governments &#8212; or the federal government if Labor gets in and offers their <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/labor-solar-battery-subsidy\/\">$2,000 battery subsidy<\/a> &#8212; should require installers to guarantee households will save money if they install a subsidised battery.\u00a0 If they can&#8217;t give that guarantee then they won&#8217;t get the subsidy.\u00a0 If we are going to use taxpayers&#8217; money to promote batteries the least we can do is make sure they actually save people money.<\/p>\n<h2>The Battery System&#8217;s High Price<\/h2>\n<p>The battery my Queensland pal was considering was an LG Chem RESU6.5.\u00a0 It has a nominal capacity of 6.5 kilowatt-hours and has a usable storage capacity of 5.9 kilowatt-hours.\u00a0 Its price &#8212; not including the grant &#8212; was $7,300.\u00a0 This is considerably more than its estimated retail price of $5,807 on our <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/battery-storage\/comparison-table\/\">battery comparison table<\/a>, but the price he was quoted includes the cost of installation as well as the cost to the installer of supporting it through its 10 year warranty period.\u00a0 While you can shop around to try to find a better deal, there is no way you can avoid having to pay a considerable amount for installation.<\/p>\n<p>In addition to the battery, the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/battery-storage\/hybrid-inverter-comparison\/\">hybrid inverter<\/a> required costs perhaps $700 more than an equivalent standard grid tied<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/queensland-battery-grant\/#en-26419-2' id='enref-26419-2' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(26419)'>2<\/a><\/sup> inverter.\u00a0 He would also have to pay for a power switching box and the hybrid inverter&#8217;s electricity meter.\u00a0 The prices given for these components were:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>LG Chem RESU6.5\u00a0 $7,300<\/li>\n<li>Estimated extra cost of hybrid inverter ~$700<\/li>\n<li>Emergency power supply switching box $300<\/li>\n<li>Inverter electricity meter $200<\/li>\n<li>TOTAL COST ESTIMATE:\u00a0 $8,500<\/li>\n<li>AFTER $3,000 GRANT:\u00a0 $5,500<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The total installed cost would be around $8,500, which would come to $5,500 after the rebate.<\/p>\n<h2>Optimistic Battery Savings<\/h2>\n<p>To work out what this battery may save on electricity bills, we need to know what my Queensland contact pays for grid electricity.\u00a0 Fortunately, he sent me his bill so I can see he&#8217;s only paying 24.6 cents per kilowatt-hour with Diamond Energy.\u00a0 These days that&#8217;s not too bad.\u00a0 His <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/systems\/feed-in-tariffs\/qld\/\">solar feed-in tariff<\/a> with Diamond Energy will be 12 cents.\u00a0 Just to keep things simple I&#8217;m going to assume these figures won&#8217;t change in real terms &#8212; that is they&#8217;ll simply keep pace with inflation &#8212; and I&#8217;ll give all the results in today&#8217;s money.<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/queensland-battery-grant\/#en-26419-3' id='enref-26419-3' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(26419)'>3<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n<p>The battery has 5.9 kilowatt-hours of usable storage but my Queensland contact&#8217;s household is not going to use that much every night.\u00a0 The battery&#8217;s capacity will slowly deteriorate over time, on some nights they won&#8217;t need all the energy in the battery, and during some cloudy days they won&#8217;t be able to fully charge it with solar power.\u00a0 Assuming the battery only deteriorates in capacity half as much as its warranty allows<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/queensland-battery-grant\/#en-26419-4' id='enref-26419-4' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(26419)'>4<\/a><\/sup> and looking at his electricity bill, I&#8217;d estimate he&#8217;d use an average of 70% or less of its original usable capacity over its 10 year warranty period.\u00a0 But I&#8217;m going to be very optimistic and assume it will actually be 80%.\u00a0 That&#8217;s 4.72 kilowatt-hours a day.<\/p>\n<p>The round trip efficiencies of battery systems are generally disappointing according to reports I&#8217;ve been given by owners.\u00a0 I&#8217;m going to use a figure of 85% but it could be less in practice.<\/p>\n<p>So far we have the following figures:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Grid electricity price per kilowatt-hour:\u00a0 24.6 cents<\/li>\n<li>Solar feed-in tariff:\u00a0 12 cents<\/li>\n<li>Average storage used per day:\u00a0 4.72 kilowatt-hours<\/li>\n<li>Round trip efficiency:\u00a0 85%<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Each kilowatt-hour of storage he uses from his battery will save him having to pay for 24.6 cents worth of grid electricity, but will cost him the solar feed-in tariff he would have received if the energy used to charge the battery had instead been sent into the grid.\u00a0 Because the battery system is 85% efficient each kilowatt-hour of storage he uses will need 1.18 kilowatt-hours of solar electricity.\u00a0 This will cause him to forgo 14.1 cents of solar feed-in tariff.\u00a0 As a result each kilowatt-hour of storage he uses will only save him 10.5 cents on his electricity bill and his savings over the 10 year warranty period of the battery will only be around $1,800.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Savings per kilowatt-hour of storage used:\u00a0 10.5 cents<\/li>\n<li>Daily savings:\u00a0 49.7 cents<\/li>\n<li>Yearly savings:\u00a0 $181<\/li>\n<li>Savings over 10 year warranty period:\u00a0 $1,810<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>As the battery will cost him about $5,500, this means after 10 years my Queensland friend will be around $3,700 behind.\u00a0 This does not take into account the cost of capital, but since the battery grant lets him take out a 10 year interest free loan on the cost of the system we can ignore that.<\/p>\n<p>The battery is likely to last beyond its 10 year warranty period.\u00a0 But even if it lasts for a total of 15 years without losing any more capacity it will only save him $2,715 on his electricity bills meaning he will have lost around $2,800.\u00a0 Maybe the battery could last longer than 15 years, but I certainly wouldn&#8217;t count on that.<\/p>\n<p>The battery system will provide\u00a0back-up capability he wouldn&#8217;t have with a conventional solar power system.\u00a0 How much value people put on this will vary, but I would value it at well under $500 as even a very small generator can be a superior form of backup.\u00a0 This is because there is an excellent chance there will be little energy left in the battery when a blackout occurs.<\/p>\n<h2>Installers Should Guarantee Savings For Subsidised Battery Systems<\/h2>\n<p>I think a lot of people are going to lose a lot of money as a result of buying government subsidised battery systems.\u00a0 They&#8217;ll either think subsidised batteries will save them money and not do their research, or shonky salespeople will lead them to believe they will save money when it&#8217;s not the case.<\/p>\n<p>Government subsidies just makes things easier for con artists as people will assume the subsidy means batteries are a sound investment.\u00a0 It is definitely in politicians&#8217; interests to do something about this as people are not going to be happy when they see their tax money being used for a scheme that makes many people worse off.\u00a0 It&#8217;s exactly the sort of thing current affairs shows love to bang on about.<\/p>\n<p>To solve this problem I recommend installers be required to guarantee their battery system will save a household money over its warranty period.\u00a0 If the installer doesn&#8217;t want to give this guarantee then the battery system won&#8217;t qualify for a subsidy rebate.\u00a0 This will make sure only households that will benefit will receive help.\u00a0 If this isn&#8217;t done then in many cases we will be spending taxpayers&#8217; money to make Australian families worse off. That&#8217;s nuttier than lumpy chocolate.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-26544\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Products-slabs-peanut2.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"560\" height=\"420\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Products-slabs-peanut2.png 560w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Products-slabs-peanut2-300x225.png 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 560px) 100vw, 560px\" \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday a Queenslander asked me for advice.\u00a0 This is not unusual.\u00a0 I&#8217;m originally from Queensland, so I understand their primitive ways.\u00a0 I also take care to maintain their respect by never making fun of my home state and only ever saying things about it that are factually true.\u00a0 Such as the plants want to kill 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