{"id":2968,"date":"2013-10-23T11:05:47","date_gmt":"2013-10-23T01:35:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/?p=2968"},"modified":"2014-01-05T18:05:00","modified_gmt":"2014-01-05T08:35:00","slug":"secret-getting-20-returns-solar-system-even-crappy-rebates","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/secret-getting-20-returns-solar-system-even-crappy-rebates\/","title":{"rendered":"How to unlock a great solar payback (even with crappy rebates)."},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_2978\" style=\"width: 434px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/solar-key.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2978\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2978\" alt=\"solar panels and a key\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/solar-key.jpg\" width=\"424\" height=\"283\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-2978\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The key to good solar payback is system sizing.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Occasionally I venture out of my straw-bale, solar passive eco-cave and meet real people, in person instead of over the interwebs. When they inevitably ask me the standard icebreaker &#8220;what do you do?&#8221; and hear that I&#8217;m in &#8220;solar power&#8221;, the usual response is: &#8220;Oh &#8211; that must be a tough industry, now that the rebates \/ buy back rates have all ended?&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>The reality seems to be that most people who don&#8217;t work in the solar industry seem to use the words &#8220;rebate&#8221; and &#8220;feed in tariff&#8221; interchangeably. And who can blame them? Both are essentially government cash handouts.<\/p>\n<p>Of course the truth is that the <em>&#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/solarquotes.com.au\/solar-credits-explained.html\">Solar Rebate<\/a>&#8220;,\u00a0<\/em>is actually still available through the Federal government. The government frowns upon anyone who calls it a rebate, preferring the term &#8220;Financial Incentive&#8221;. But all that really matters is that you can get about $700 off the upfront cost of every kW of solar you buy. For a typical 3kW, that&#8217;s a $2100 subsidy.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>The subsidy that really has ended (for everyone except Northern Territorians) is the &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/systems\/feed-in-tariffs\/\">Feed In Tariff<\/a>&#8220;. This is the rate that you get paid for any solar energy you put back into the grid. i.e. all the solar energy that is not consumed by your home&#8217;s lights and appliances.<\/p>\n<p><em>(If you are lucky enough to live in the NT you get paid 27.8c for every kWh you generate. \u00a0To cut a long story short, that means a grid connected solar system can currently pay back in around 5 years. That&#8217;s a return of 20%.)<\/em><\/p>\n<p>But I&#8217;m guessing most of you don&#8217;t live in the NT! If so, then you will only get about 8c per kWh for every unit exported back to the grid.<\/p>\n<p>And to rub salt into the wound, that electricity that you are exporting is being instantaneously sold to a neighbour for approximately 30c per kWh by your local electricity retailer! \u00a0But, hey, this post is not going to be a futile whinge about that little rort. Rather, I&#8217;m going deal with the real world, as it is right now, \u00a0and show how, despite the shockingly crappy buy back rate for most Australians, it is possible for many households outside the NT to still get 20% returns on a solar system.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The secret is in the sizing<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>There is a mob doing the rounds on TV at the moment who promise to get you 3 quotes for solar (hmmm&#8230; wonder where they got that idea from?). \u00a0If you call their number you get put through to an overseas call centre operator who will ask you what your last electricity bill was. Based on this, <em>and only this answer<\/em>, the call centre operator will &#8220;recommend&#8221; what solar system size you should buy. The higher your bill, the bigger a solar system they will recommend you buy. Oh and get this: the bigger the solar system, they recommend, the more they get paid by the companies they are referring you to!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/caution-tape.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2974\" alt=\"caution-tape\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/caution-tape.jpg\" width=\"693\" height=\"81\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This is just wrong, wrong, wrong on so many levels. I think it also is against the draft CEC code of ethics if I recall the draft I read correctly. The problem is that, with the current low Feed In Tariff levels, <strong>you cannot size a solar system for optimum payback based on only a customer&#8217;s power bill.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>This is because the payback of a solar system will vary dramatically depending on how much solar energy you export at the 8c feed in rate compared to how much is saving 30c per kWh being used by the appliances inside your home. There is no way an overseas call centre operator (or anyone else for that matter) can accurately determine this by simply knowing the size of your last power bill.<\/p>\n<p>In fact, the only way you can accurately determine how much someone will export is to do an energy audit of<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>the appliances in the home<\/li>\n<li>the electric heating and cooling loads in winter and summer, and<\/li>\n<li>who is at home during the day.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>This will give an estimate of the electricity usage patterns throughout the day, which can be compared to the solar generation profile of various sized systems. Then a system size can be chosen to minimise exports. That is the only way to ensure the customer is being quoted for a system with the best payback.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Getting system sizing wrong can push payback out to over 20 years!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The Alternative Technology Association recently published their <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ata.org.au\/news\/latest-solar-payback-times\/\">latest solar payback figures<\/a>, based on the latest feed in rates. They found that exporting 10% of your solar electricity could result in a system payback of as short as 4 years. But&#8230; if your system is oversized and you export 90% of the electricity generated, your payback can push back to 20 years plus! That is a big difference. And a good reason not to trust a your solar system sizing recommendation to someone who only asks you for your latest power bill.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s a graph showing how the payback blows out as your exports increase for a typical 2kW system in Sydney:<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_2972\" style=\"width: 646px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/payback-graph.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2972\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2972\" alt=\"payback graph\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/payback-graph.jpg\" width=\"636\" height=\"373\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-2972\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Keep exports under 50% to maximise payback!<\/p><\/div>\n<p>As you can see &#8211; if you can keep those exports to under 50% you are getting a 5-8 year payback, which is a 12-20% return.<\/p>\n<p>(And if \u00a0you want to do your own payback\u00a0calculations\u00a0based on different export percentages and locations, then my <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/calc3\/indexsavings.php\">solar calculator<\/a> will crunch all the numbers for you.)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Here&#8217;s how a good solar installer will size your solar system to keep exports under 50%:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>1)<\/strong> They will work out who is in the house during the day, and what appliances are typically used.<\/p>\n<p><strong>2)<\/strong> They will construct an estimated load profile (i.e. a graph showing approximately how much electricity you use throughout the day in winter and summer, at weekends and weekdays).<\/p>\n<p><strong>3)<\/strong> They will use this to estimate how much electricity you export over a typical year.<\/p>\n<p><strong>4)<\/strong> They will use this estimate to determine payback figures for a range of system sizes. Generally they&#8217;ll counsel you against getting a system that exports more than 50% of your electricity.<\/p>\n<p><strong>5)<\/strong> They will present this to you in writing so you can decide what system size you want to buy (if any).<\/p>\n<p>Find an installer who follows these steps, and you are much more likely to be a happy bunny when you get your first &#8220;post solar installation&#8221; electricity bill!<\/p>\n<p><strong>(And if you want to get 3 quotes to compare from 3 great, local installers who know how to do this, simply <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/quote\">fill in this form<\/a>. I&#8217;ve spent 5 years finding the best installers\u00a0across\u00a0Australia so you don&#8217;t have to.)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>So, solar can still be a good buy for many people, and get great returns but make sure that you are not exporting more than 50% of your energy, and above all make sure you <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/quote\">get quotes<\/a> from ethical installers who will take the time to understand your electricity usage patterns. Just looking at a power bill is not good enough &#8211; so don&#8217;t stand for it!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Occasionally I venture out of my straw-bale, solar passive eco-cave and meet real people, in person instead of over the interwebs. 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