{"id":32328,"date":"2019-07-29T06:35:07","date_gmt":"2019-07-28T20:05:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/?p=32328"},"modified":"2024-04-12T09:07:34","modified_gmt":"2024-04-11T23:37:34","slug":"vodcast-episode-23-mb1150","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/vodcast-episode-23-mb1150\/","title":{"rendered":"SolarQuotes Vodcast Episode 23 &#8211; Rebate Rumblings And Battery Blather"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"youtube-wrapper\"><iframe title=\"Victorian Rebate Tragedy, Sluggish SA Battery Subsidies: SolarQuotes Vodcast 23\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/T8eIiOUgbPQ?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p>Finn and Ronald discuss the recent Victorian solar rally, SA Home Battery Scheme progress, Tesla Powerwall 2 price drop, Ronald locking horns with SA&#8217;s Energy Minister, EV charging from home batteries and more.<!--more--><\/p>\n<h2>Victorian Solar Rally Wrap-Up<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/T8eIiOUgbPQ?t=32\">00:31<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/victoria-solar-rally-mb1149\/\">A rally<\/a> organised by the Smart Energy Council in partnership with Solar Cutters held on the steps of State Parliament in Melbourne last Thursday was attended by an estimated crowd of 300 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/vic-solar-industry-crisis-mb1138\/\">protesting the damage<\/a> being wreaked by the Solar Homes PV rebate.<\/p>\n<p>This wasn&#8217;t a case of a bunch of installers saying, &#8220;give us more money&#8221;. They were telling the government to keep its money, or to run the solar power rebate in a manner that doesn&#8217;t destroy the industry.<\/p>\n<p>Finn was among the hundreds who attended the rally.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;It was a theme of absolute human tragedy. Installers getting up, taking the mic, telling us how their business is, how they&#8217;ve had to lay people off, how they don&#8217;t know if their businesses are going to survive,&#8221; says Finn. &#8220;And again, these guys, before August, before the first tranche of the rebate was announced, were going great. They didn&#8217;t need the rebate. It was a really nice stable industry and this rebate has completely screwed it over.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The lack of Clean Energy Council participation in the rally didn&#8217;t go unnoticed, with Finn suggesting perhaps the CEC feels it is too &#8220;white collar&#8221; to be out on the streets shoulder-to-shoulder with, and standing up for, its members in such a public way.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;If there was anyone from the Clean Energy there. I apologise, but I didn&#8217;t see them,&#8221; said Finn. &#8220;I think for the CEC, perception is everything. Perception of them not being seen at protests, perception of them being, well, whatever they want to be perceived as.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Finn says he doesn&#8217;t hold anything against the Victorian Government or Solar Victoria for making what has turned out to be a monumental mistake; but it&#8217;s what happens next that counts &#8211; fixing the situation. However, at this point it doesn&#8217;t seem the Victorian Government will take appropriate action.<\/p>\n<h2>SA Battery Subsidy Uptake Sluggish<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/T8eIiOUgbPQ?t=322\">5:22<\/a> &#8211; Figures released by the South Australian Government last week indicate <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/south-australia-battery-subsidy-mb1148\/\">only 2,300 battery subsidies<\/a> have been approved so far under its Home Battery Scheme &#8211; and just 1,500 battery systems installed. The subsidies have been available since October last year and were launched to support the installation of 40,000 battery systems.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Out of 40,000, that&#8217;s 3.75% of the total,&#8221; says Ronald. &#8220;How many you think they expected to have at this time? Bit of a flop.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Finn and Ronald also discuss a recently published paper out of Uni SA that claimed batteries subsidised under the scheme can pay for themselves in certain circumstances &#8211; and the dangers this claim posed; particularly given a battery will not pay for itself within its warranty period in the scenario of an average family&#8217;s usage.<\/p>\n<h2>Tesla Powerwall 2 Price Drop<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/T8eIiOUgbPQ?t=504\">8:24<\/a> &#8211; The pair touch on recent news that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/tesla-powerwall-price-drop\/\">Tesla Powerwall 2 has dropped in price<\/a> &#8211; but the decrease was less than a quarter of the price hike Tesla whacked on in October last year; just prior to the commencement of the SA Home Battery scheme.<\/p>\n<h2>Worst And Best Reviews Of The Week<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/T8eIiOUgbPQ?t=546\">9:06<\/a> &#8211; As chosen by SolarQuotes team member Ned.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Worst review of the week<\/strong> &#8211; 2 years after installation, the reviewer&#8217;s solar power system failed &#8211; but the installation company wouldn&#8217;t respond until the Ombudsman stepped in. Even with the Ombudsman&#8217;s involvement, the customer continued to get the run-around. The\u00a0 issue was inverter failure (Aerosharp) and the customer was told a new inverter could be installed &#8211; at the customer&#8217;s expense.<\/p>\n<p>To add to the customer&#8217;s woes, after a storm it was discovered the installer had broken a tile and used Mastic to repair it. When the Mastic degraded, this resulted in water entering the roof space, which damaged the ceiling. We&#8217;d like to point out the solar company in question was not one of SQ&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/trust.html\">pre-vetted installers<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Best review of the week<\/strong> &#8211; a big thumbs up to a small company in Byron Bay called <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/installer-review\/denby-energy-pty-ltd\/\"> Denby Energy<\/a> (a SolarQuotes client) from a customer who said the process from quote to installation of his solar power system was fantastic and he would have no hesitation in recommending the company to anyone.<\/p>\n<h2>Ronald Vs. Dan van Holst Pellekaan<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/T8eIiOUgbPQ?t=752\">12:32<\/a> &#8211; Ronald recently attended a Home Battery Forum hosted by SA Energy Minister Dan van Holst Pellekaan. Ronald challenged the minister on his claims concerning <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/dan-pellekaan-solar-batteries\/\">Tesla Powerwall 2 pricing and battery payback<\/a>. In a nutshell, Minister van Holst Pellekaan wasn&#8217;t able to provide any hard figures on the battery payback claim at the Forum. So, Ronald is following up his conversation with a letter to the Minister.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Dear Dan Pellekaan,<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I spoke with you on Monday the 15th of July at the Marion RSL.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I pointed out home batteries don&#8217;t pay themselves for normal families at the moment, even with the South Australian home battery subsidy. You said:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I can assure you it does, it absolutely does.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;It doesn&#8217;t work for everyone, but it definitely, definitely works. There&#8217;s no doubt about it.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Clearly you have screwed up big time in your calculations. If you send me details on how you determined that batteries can save normal households money, I&#8217;ll take a look and let you know where you lot messed up. I suspect you are using figures for blended payback where the good returns from rooftop solar hides the poor or negative returns from batteries.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>After I&#8217;ve shown you where you&#8217;ve gone wrong, you can correct your mistake and dedicate yourself to making sure no south Australian family buys a battery system that will only lose them money and potentially cause them serious financial harm.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Yours sincerely, Ronald Brakels&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>No doubt Ronald will keep us posted if the Minister responds.<\/p>\n<h2>Charging Electric Vehicles From Home Batteries<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/T8eIiOUgbPQ?t=1012\">16:53<\/a> -Some EV owners may be considering <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/ev-chargers\/\">charging their electric cars<\/a> from a home solar battery instead of the mains grid for financial and environmental reasons. It&#8217;s a great attitude, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/charging-ev-battery-grid\/\">but not a great idea<\/a>.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;In fact, overall, it&#8217;s better for the environment to send your electricity into the grid during the day and charge your electric car from the grid at night,&#8221; says Ronald. &#8220;This can change in the future, but for now, that&#8217;s the case. Even in places like South Australia where we&#8217;ve got lots of renewable energy; because 99% of our spare renewable energy, it gets sent to Victoria.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It&#8217;s also cheaper to charge from the grid than from a home solar battery &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/charging-ev-battery-grid\/\">find out more here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<h2>Massive Large-Scale Battery For Port Pirie<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/T8eIiOUgbPQ?t=1191\">19:52<\/a> &#8211; The mention of a 560 megawatt-hour large-scale battery project in a recent <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/big-solar-roundup-mb1141\/\">large-scale solar roundup<\/a> post on SQ caught Finn&#8217;s eye.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;That&#8217;s massive. Huge. That&#8217;s five times the size of the Tesla big battery and coincidentally, that is almost exactly the equivalent of 40,000 Powerwalls,&#8221; said Finn.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>(added note: not quite &#8211; closer to 4x &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/tesla-big-battery-first-year\/\">Tesla Big Battery<\/a> is 100MW\/129MWh. Proposed Port Pirie system is 140MW\/560MWh)<\/p>\n<p>Finn says having the equivalent of 40,000 Powerwall 2&#8217;s in one place that you have direct control of, you&#8217;re going to be able to use that much more efficiently than the distributed battery systems due to complete control over the charge and the discharge.<\/p>\n<p>Subscribe to the <a href=\"https:\/\/youtube.com\/solarquotesaustralia\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">SolarQuotes Youtube channel<\/a>!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Finn and Ronald discuss the recent Victorian solar rally, SA Home Battery Scheme progress, Tesla Powerwall 2 price drop, Ronald locking horns with SA&#8217;s Energy Minister, EV charging from home batteries and more.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":17,"featured_media":32329,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[678],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-32328","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-solar-battery-news","entry"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v27.4 (Yoast SEO v27.4) - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-premium-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>SolarQuotes Vodcast Episode 23 - Rebate Rumblings And Battery Blather<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"VIC solar rally, SA Home Battery Scheme progress, Tesla Powerwall 2 price drop, Ronald vs. SA&#039;s Energy Minister, EV charging from home batteries and more.\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/vodcast-episode-23-mb1150\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"SolarQuotes Vodcast Episode 23 - Rebate Rumblings And Battery Blather\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"VIC solar rally, SA Home Battery Scheme progress, Tesla Powerwall 2 price drop, Ronald vs. SA&#039;s Energy Minister, EV charging from home batteries and more.\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/vodcast-episode-23-mb1150\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"SolarQuotes Blog\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:publisher\" content=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/SolarQuotes\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2019-07-28T20:05:07+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:modified_time\" content=\"2024-04-11T23:37:34+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:image\" content=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/vodcast-episode-23.jpg\" \/>\n\t<meta property=\"og:image:width\" content=\"1200\" \/>\n\t<meta property=\"og:image:height\" content=\"630\" \/>\n\t<meta property=\"og:image:type\" content=\"image\/jpeg\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"Michael Bloch\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:card\" content=\"summary_large_image\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:creator\" content=\"@solar_quotes\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:site\" content=\"@solar_quotes\" \/>\n<script type=\"application\/ld+json\" class=\"yoast-schema-graph\">{\"@context\":\"https:\\\/\\\/schema.org\",\"@graph\":[{\"@type\":\"Article\",\"@id\":\"https:\\\/\\\/www.solarquotes.com.au\\\/blog\\\/vodcast-episode-23-mb1150\\\/#article\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\\\/\\\/www.solarquotes.com.au\\\/blog\\\/vodcast-episode-23-mb1150\\\/\"},\"author\":{\"name\":\"Michael Bloch\",\"@id\":\"https:\\\/\\\/www.solarquotes.com.au\\\/blog\\\/#\\\/schema\\\/person\\\/66afd571aa00c2e442f0192ebac2f6f1\"},\"headline\":\"SolarQuotes Vodcast Episode 23 &#8211; 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