{"id":34305,"date":"2019-12-16T10:49:50","date_gmt":"2019-12-16T00:19:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/?p=34305"},"modified":"2024-01-25T12:46:51","modified_gmt":"2024-01-25T03:16:51","slug":"dyness-powerbox-battery","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/dyness-powerbox-battery\/","title":{"rendered":"Dyness Powerbox Battery: A First Look At Its Specifications &amp; Warranty"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_35736\" style=\"width: 1210px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-35736\" class=\"wp-image-35736 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/dyness-battery.jpg\" alt=\"Dyness Powerbox Battery\" width=\"1200\" height=\"628\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/dyness-battery.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/dyness-battery-300x157.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/dyness-battery-1024x536.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/dyness-battery-768x402.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-35736\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Dyness Powerbox home battery.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>There&#8217;s a new battery contender in town &#8211; the Dyness Powerbox. And if you live in SA it&#8217;s eligible for South Australia&#8217;s hefty home battery subsidy. <!--more-->Finn tells me it looks a lot like a Tesla Powerwall 2, but I don&#8217;t see it myself and I&#8217;m going to defend the Powerbox by pointing out all the ways it doesn&#8217;t resemble a Powerwall.\u00a0 For one thing, it&#8217;s got rounded corners.<\/p>\n<p>Also, unlike the Powerwall 2, the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dyness.com\/products\/powerbox-pro\">Dyness Powerbox<\/a><sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/dyness-powerbox-battery\/#en-34305-1' id='enref-34305-1' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(34305)'>1<\/a><\/sup> doesn&#8217;t contain a battery inverter and so requires a compatible <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/battery-storage\/hybrid-inverter-comparison\/\">hybrid inverter<\/a> to work.\u00a0 This contender is just a container that holds up to 4 battery modules.\u00a0 Each module has:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>2.4 kilowatt-hours nominal capacity<\/li>\n<li>2.16 kilowatt-hours usable capacity<\/li>\n<li>1.2 kilowatts continuous power output<\/li>\n<li>$1,200 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/sa-battery-subsidy-update\/\">subsidy in South Australia<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>When 4 modules have their powers combined into a fully loaded Dyness quad module Powerbox, it will have:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>9.6 kilowatt-hours nominal capacity<\/li>\n<li>8.64 kilowatt-hours usable capacity<\/li>\n<li>4.8 kilowatts continuous power output<\/li>\n<li>$4,800 subsidy in South Australia<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/dyness-powerbox-battery\/#en-34305-2' id='enref-34305-2' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(34305)'>2<\/a><\/sup><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The battery&#8217;s chemistry is lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO\u2084) which is the lithium chemistry most able to handle misuse.<\/p>\n<p>Its operating temperature is from 0 to 50\u00baC.\u00a0 This is a good for a lithium battery and suitable for most of Australia.<\/p>\n<p>Its warranty promises modules will retain 70% of their original capacity until 10 years have passed or they have provided 6,700 kilowatt-hours.\u00a0 Whichever comes first.\u00a0 This means a household would have to use an average 0.76 full cycles<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/dyness-powerbox-battery\/#en-34305-3' id='enref-34305-3' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(34305)'>3<\/a><\/sup> or less per day for the batteries to retain the 70% capacity warranty for 10 years.<\/p>\n<p>If you are in in South Australia and want a subsidised Dyness Powerbox, they can only be obtained from one provider at the moment &#8212; Target Solar.\u00a0 If you&#8217;re not in SA another provider I know of is Sealed Performance Batteries or SPB for short.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Update 18 Nov 2019:\u00a0 <\/strong><\/em><em>Another supplier of the Dyness Powerbox is Solar Energy Warehouse.\u00a0 <\/em><\/p>\n<h2>Tech Specs<\/h2>\n<p>Here are technical specifications for the Dyness Powerbox lifted straight from its brochure:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-35633 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/techspecs.png\" alt=\"Dyness Powerbox technical specifications\" width=\"793\" height=\"711\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/techspecs.png 793w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/techspecs-300x269.png 300w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/techspecs-768x689.png 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 793px) 100vw, 793px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll go into some of these numbers in more detail and explain why &#8212; if you care about keeping your warranty &#8212; many of them are irrelevant.<\/p>\n<h2>Storage Capacity<\/h2>\n<p>Each module has a nominal storage capacity of 2.4 kilowatt-hours, but the warranty limits the maximum depth of discharge to 90%.\u00a0 This makes their usable storage capacity 2.16 kilowatt-hours when new.\u00a0 This comes to to a total of 8.64 kilowatt hours when a Powerbox is maxed out with 4 modules.<\/p>\n<p>If more energy storage is needed, multiple Powerboxes can be used.\u00a0 While Dyness says there is no limit, I think the average inverter will have problems handling a limitless number of Powerboxes.<\/p>\n<h2>Power Output<\/h2>\n<p>Energy stored is given in kilowatt-hours but power is kilowatts.\u00a0 If you need to check out the difference between the two, Finn <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/power-energy-kw-kwh-mb1143\/\">bangs on about energy vs. power here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The maximum power output for each module given in the tech specs is 2.4 kilowatts.\u00a0 However the warranty states:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-35651 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/powerboxpower.gif\" alt=\"Dyness Powerbox maximum power output\" width=\"632\" height=\"239\" \/><\/p>\n<p>This means, in normal use, the power the module can supply or be charged with is 1.2 kilowatts.\u00a0 The maximum continuous power output for a 4 module Powerbox will be 4.8 kilowatts.<\/p>\n<h2>Indoors Or Outdoor Installation<\/h2>\n<p>The Powerbox has an Ingress Protection (IP) rating of 65:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-35652 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/ip65.gif\" alt=\"Dyness Powerbox battery IP rating\" width=\"741\" height=\"206\" \/><\/p>\n<p>This means it can be located out in the rain without problem.\u00a0 But flooding is a problem, so keep that in mind if it&#8217;s on the cards.\u00a0 Because heat is not good for batteries I definitely recommend locating it out of sunlight.\u00a0 According the warranty they cannot be exposed to temperatures over 60 degrees.\u00a0 Fire safety is also a consideration whether it&#8217;s located indoors, outdoors, or pretty much anywhere in Australia.<\/p>\n<h2>Dimensions And Weight<\/h2>\n<p>I&#8217;ve mentioned that some people &#8212; or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/about-us.html\">some person<\/a> &#8212; think the Powerbox is attempting to look like a Tesla Powerwall, but no one can deny from the front it looks considerably smaller:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-35655 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/comparedimensions.jpg\" alt=\"Dyness Powerbox vs. Tesla Powerwall\" width=\"1059\" height=\"571\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/comparedimensions.jpg 1059w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/comparedimensions-300x162.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/comparedimensions-1024x552.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/comparedimensions-768x414.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1059px) 100vw, 1059px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>But because the Powerbox is thicker, the volume of the Powerwall 2 is only 25% more:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Dyness Powerbox volume = 108 litres<\/li>\n<li>Tesla Powerwall 2 volume = 135 litres<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Because the Powerwall 2 has more storage capacity (13.5 kilowatt-hours when new) than a maxed out Powerbox, it wins on litres of volume per kilowatt-hour of usable capacity:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>4 module Dyness Powerbox volume per usable kilowatt-hour = 12.5 litres<\/li>\n<li>Tesla Powerwall 2 volume per usable kilowatt-hour = 10 litres<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>As the Powerwall 2 contains a battery inverter and an active cooling system while the Powerbox is just batteries, the lithium iron phosphate battery cells inside obviously take up more space than the NMC (Nickel Manganese Cobalt) cells used by Tesla&#8217;s Powerwall 2.<\/p>\n<p>While the Powerbox&#8217;s smaller size is not impressive given it&#8217;s lower capacity and functionality, it still counts as a difference in appearance from the Powerwall 2.\u00a0 I&#8217;m even going to make a list of all the ways its appearance is different:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Oh Dyness Powerbox, how art thou different from a Powerwall 2?\u00a0 Let me count the ways&#8230;&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<ul>\n<li>Smaller<\/li>\n<li>Fatter<\/li>\n<li>Rounded corners<\/li>\n<li>Six visible holes for bolts or whatever type of fasteners it uses<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>See, Finn?\u00a0 They&#8217;re nothing alike!<\/p>\n<h2>Compatible Inverters<\/h2>\n<p>Dyness provides a long list of inverters they say are compatible with the Powerbox and list them in an order that&#8217;s not at all alphabetical:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Goodwe &#8212; China<\/li>\n<li>Victron &#8212; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=_5DZexDYyuU\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Netherlands<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Solis &#8212; China<\/li>\n<li>Imeon &#8212; France<\/li>\n<li>Luxpower &#8212; China<\/li>\n<li>Growatt &#8212; China<\/li>\n<li>GMDE &#8212; China<\/li>\n<li>Sofar &#8212; China<\/li>\n<li>Voltronic &#8212; China<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=YqAyz1coj44\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Ningbo<\/a> Deye &#8212; China<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>If your response is,<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve never heard of some of those inverters!&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I would say,<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Join the club!&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I&#8217;ve put the location of their headquarters or where I know their manufacturing is done next to the names.\u00a0 As you can see, a whole lot of inverters are being made in China.<\/p>\n<p>Dyness says more compatible inverters will be announced in the future.\u00a0 I&#8217;ve noticed battery manufacturers always say this, but it doesn&#8217;t always happen.<\/p>\n<h2>Backup Depends On Inverter<\/h2>\n<p>What kind of backup power, if any, the Powerbox will be able to provide depends on the inverter it&#8217;s connected to.\u00a0 Generally speaking, it&#8217;s possible to get almost instantaneous changeover to battery power in a blackout as well as the ability to charge the Powerbox from solar panels when the grid is down.\u00a0\u00a0 With a suitable inverter they can be used entirely off-grid.<\/p>\n<h2>Operating Temperature<\/h2>\n<p>In its tech specs the operating temperature range is given as -20 to 50 degrees, which is excellent.\u00a0 Unfortunately, that&#8217;s not what the warranty allows.\u00a0 It states:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-35661 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/operatingtemp.gif\" alt=\"Dyness Powerbox operating environment temperature\" width=\"487\" height=\"97\" \/><\/p>\n<p>While this will no doubt disappoint anyone planning to use it in the (not very) Snowy Mountains or the Australian Antarctic Territory, it&#8217;s still a good operating range for Australia.\u00a0 Because it says &#8220;operating environment&#8221; I am going to assume it means air temperature.\u00a0 If it&#8217;s battery temperature that&#8217;s very different as they heat up from energy losses when charging and discharging.\u00a0 The good news is other lithium iron phosphate batteries are able to operate in air temperatures of up to 50 degrees, so it&#8217;s likely the Powerbox modules can do the same.<\/p>\n<h2>Battery Efficiency May Be 95%<\/h2>\n<p>The tech specs don&#8217;t give the battery round trip efficiency, but information I&#8217;ve acquired puts it at 95%.\u00a0 That&#8217;s not bad, but it&#8217;s only for charging and discharging the battery and doesn&#8217;t include inverter or other losses.<\/p>\n<h2>Warranty<\/h2>\n<p>The tech specs say the battery can be cycled 6,000 times, but looking at the small print&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-35662\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/smallprint.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"251\" height=\"23\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&#8230;reveals this only is when the battery is treated like a little baby.\u00a0 It has to be:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Kept at a constant 25 degrees<\/li>\n<li>Charged and discharged at a mild 480 watts per module<\/li>\n<li>Discharged to a depth of only 80%<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>But if the battery is treated this gently, the warranty doesn&#8217;t care and won&#8217;t cover that many cycles.\u00a0 What it will cover is 3,650 full cycles or 10 years.\u00a0 Whichever comes first.\u00a0 Fortunately, for most homes, 10 years should come first.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-35666 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/powereboxwarranty.gif\" alt=\"Dyness Powerbox battery warranty\" width=\"634\" height=\"203\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Using the average of 365.25 days in a year, the maximum amount of stored energy that can be provided while remaining in warranty is:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Per module:\u00a0 8,766 kilowatt-hours<\/li>\n<li>For a 4 module Powerbox:\u00a0 35,064 kilowatt-hours<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Because most households fully cycle their batteries less than once per day and because the battery capacity will deteriorate over time, this amount is unlikely to be reached inside of 10 years.<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/dyness-powerbox-battery\/#en-34305-4' id='enref-34305-4' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(34305)'>4<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n<h2>Warranted Remaining Capacity &#8212; There&#8217;s A Trick To It<\/h2>\n<p>Like almost every home and business <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/battery-storage\/comparison-table\/\">solar battery<\/a>,<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/dyness-powerbox-battery\/#en-34305-5' id='enref-34305-5' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(34305)'>5<\/a><\/sup> its warranty promises it will maintain a specific percentage of its original capacity.\u00a0 But the Dyness Powerbox does it in a weird and, I think, unfortunate way.<\/p>\n<p>The warranty promises the battery will retain at least 70% of its original capacity until 10 years pass or it has provided 6,700 kilowatt-hours.\u00a0 This is only three quarters of the 8,766 kilowatt-hours of energy output its warranty covers.<\/p>\n<p>This means for the warranty to still cover it having 70% of its original capacity for the full ten years the average amount of stored energy that can be used each day would be only:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>1 module:\u00a0 1.83 kilowatt-hours<\/li>\n<li>4 modules:\u00a0 7.34 kilowatt-hours<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>That is an average of 0.76 full cycles per day.\u00a0 Many households could reach this point before the 10 year warranty maximum is reached and so have a period where the battery modules would still be under warranty, but with no promised minimum amount for remaining battery capacity.<\/p>\n<p>This is an odd warranty.\u00a0 I presume they are not confident the batteries will still be at 70% of their original capacity after 10 years but didn&#8217;t want to have either a minimum promised capacity of under 70% or warranty of less than 10 years, so Dyness went with this weird solution.\u00a0 I don&#8217;t like it as it makes the warranty harder to understand and makes it more difficult to compare with other battery warranties.\u00a0 I hope they will improve it, or at least make it simpler.<\/p>\n<p>I suppose many households would still use an average of less than 0.76 full cycles per day and so the Powerbox will end up warranted to have at least 70% of its original capacity for 10 years.\u00a0 But if you plan to use your battery at high capacity, watch out for this.<\/p>\n<h2>Dyness Doesn&#8217;t Understand Temperature<\/h2>\n<p>Lithium iron phosphate is the most stable lithium battery chemistry, but that alone is not enough to make it safe.\u00a0 If it&#8217;s not part of a well designed system then any lithium battery is dangerous and all are capable of catching on fire, venting flames, spewing toxic gases, and &#8212; if tightly confined as battery cells usually are &#8212; exploding.\u00a0 None-the-less, Dyness makes a big deal of lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO4) batteries&#8217; safety:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-35593 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/temperatureerror.gif\" alt=\"LiFePO4 chemistry battery safety\" width=\"471\" height=\"481\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Wait, what was that?\u00a0 Say that middle bit again!<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-35624\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/tempwot.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"403\" height=\"154\" \/><\/p>\n<p>No it&#8217;s not!\u00a0 It&#8217;s not 100% higher!\u00a0 Dyness even provide a graph that contradicts this:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-35626 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/batrunawaytemperature.gif\" alt=\"Temperature Range of Decomposition\" width=\"408\" height=\"333\" \/><\/p>\n<p>This is a graph of the Temperature Range of Decomposition, which is a fancy way of saying &#8220;at these temperatures the shit starts to hit the fan and the fan is made of explosions&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-35669\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/bigbang.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"250\" \/><\/p>\n<p>If we look at the lower ends of the bars on the graph, the temperature at which the blue bar of the LMO battery starts to get explody is almost half the degrees Celsius figure of the green lithium iron phosphate (LFP) bar, but that is not a 100% higher temperature.<\/p>\n<p>The freezing point of water was chosen as zero for <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Anders_Celsius\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Anders Celsius&#8217;s<\/a> temperature scale because that&#8217;s convenient for humans,<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/dyness-powerbox-battery\/#en-34305-6' id='enref-34305-6' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(34305)'>6<\/a><\/sup> not because <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=4FFG1NqKzCg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">temperature starts at zero Celsius<\/a>.\u00a0 It starts at <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Absolute_zero\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">absolute zero<\/a> which is -273.15 degrees Celsius.<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/dyness-powerbox-battery\/#en-34305-7' id='enref-34305-7' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(34305)'>7<\/a><\/sup>\u00a0 This is zero on the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Kelvin\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Kelvin scale<\/a> which is something <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/William_Thomson,_1st_Baron_Kelvin\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Lord Kelvin<\/a> came up with in between inventing the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Kelvinator\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Kelvinator<\/a> and working out the first two laws of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=rLbz4vMG0iE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">thermodynamics<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll fix Dyness&#8217;s graph for them so temperature starts where it should:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-35630 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/batrunawaytemperatureabsolutezero.jpg\" alt=\"Temperature Range of Decomposition - adjusted\" width=\"409\" height=\"509\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/batrunawaytemperatureabsolutezero.jpg 409w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/batrunawaytemperatureabsolutezero-241x300.jpg 241w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 409px) 100vw, 409px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s better.\u00a0 Now we can see that lithium iron phosphate batteries start to get explody when their temperature is about 46% higher than the next most stable battery chemistry, not 100%.<\/p>\n<h2>Dyness &#8212; The Company<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.dyness.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Dyness<\/a> is located in <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Yangzhou\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Yangzhou City<\/a> in <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Jiangsu\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Jiangsu Province<\/a> in China.\u00a0 Yangzhou City is famous for its <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Slender_West_Lake\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Slender West Lake<\/a> and for not quite being in the top 29 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.greenpeace.org\/eastasia\/blog\/1820\/bad-to-worse-ranking-74-chinese-cities-by-air-pollution\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">most polluted cities in China<\/a>.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_35670\" style=\"width: 910px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-35670\" class=\"wp-image-35670 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/slenderwestlake.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"900\" height=\"506\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/slenderwestlake.jpg 900w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/slenderwestlake-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/slenderwestlake-768x432.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-35670\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Slender West Lake: Now dissolving statistically fewer swimmers. (Image: Wikipedia Commons)<\/p><\/div>\n<p>I haven&#8217;t found any evidence of Dyness existing before 2017.\u00a0 Although it&#8217;s a young company I&#8217;m not going to hold that against them and I&#8217;m happy to wait and see what they can do.\u00a0 It&#8217;s only if companies screw up that I mock them relentlessly and mercilessly.<\/p>\n<p>But we can be sure their Research &amp; Development department has some real smarts behind it, as this passage from their website demonstrates:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-35671\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/normaluni.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"465\" height=\"81\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Thank god they didn&#8217;t have to share a laboratory with one of those abnormal universities.\u00a0 I&#8217;ve seen enough monster movies to know that could have been disastrous.<\/p>\n<p>The Dyness website also tells us how great their Powerbox is:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-35673\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/skite.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"680\" height=\"58\" \/><\/p>\n<p>If they can do that and combine it with a better warranty, they should be onto a winner.\u00a0 After all, who doesn&#8217;t like top class quality at an affordable price?\u00a0 It&#8217;s amazing how few companies think of providing both of these things at the same time.\u00a0 It&#8217;s almost as if they&#8217;re not really trying to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=hKvhuBIxh5U\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">succeed in business<\/a>.<\/p>\n<h2>No Dyness Australian Office<\/h2>\n<p>Dyness does not have an office in Australia.\u00a0 This means its importer has responsibility for the manufacturer&#8217;s warranty while the business you purchased it from still has all its obligations under Australian consumer law.<\/p>\n<p>But Australia is important to Dyness because on their world map Australia has 4 out of 21 dots:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-35590 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/dynessmap.jpg\" alt=\"Dyness locations\" width=\"925\" height=\"633\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/dynessmap.jpg 925w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/dynessmap-300x205.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/dynessmap-768x526.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 925px) 100vw, 925px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>That means we&#8217;re in possession of 19% of Dyness&#8217;s map dots and that&#8217;s got to count for something.\u00a0 Unless it doesn&#8217;t.<\/p>\n<h2>Availability And Price<\/h2>\n<p>If you&#8217;re in South Australia and want a Dyness Powerbox, the only place you can get one and receive the state&#8217;s subsidy at this time is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/installer-review\/target-solar\/\">Target Solar<\/a>.\u00a0 The subsidy is $1,200 per module or $4,800 for a Powerbox stuffed to the brim with 4 of them, so chances are you&#8217;re not going to want to miss out on it.<\/p>\n<p>If you&#8217;re not after the SA subsidy, then <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sealedperformance.com.au\/\">Sealed Performance Batteries<\/a> (SPB) is another provider of the Powerbox.\u00a0 Based on information they gave, my estimate of the price of a Dyness Powerbox with 4 battery modules and 8.64 usable kilowatt-hours of storage is around $8,900.\u00a0 This is before installation and doesn&#8217;t include a hybrid inverter.<\/p>\n<p>SPB told me they have been using a 5 kilowatt Luxpower inverter with the Dyness Powerbox.\u00a0 This inverter is new in Australia and I was told it can provide full backup and accept up to 8 kilowatts of solar panel capacity.\u00a0 This is useful for people who are getting both solar and a battery installed at the same time, as STCs &#8212; usually referred to as the &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/panels\/rebate\/\">solar rebate<\/a>&#8221; &#8212; can be claimed for the full 8 kilowatts when a battery is being installed as well, rather than the usual maximum of 6.66 kilowatts for a 5 kilowatt inverter.\u00a0 My price estimate for a this Luxpower hybrid inverter is around $2,600.\u00a0 Again, this is before installation.<\/p>\n<p>The people who will get the most bang for their buck from a Dyness Powerbox will be those installing a new solar power system with 8 kilowatts of panels.<\/p>\n<h2>Wallet Warning<\/h2>\n<p>In case you didn&#8217;t know, I&#8217;ll mention home batteries won&#8217;t pay for themselves at the moment unless there are special circumstances.\u00a0 This is generally the case even with South Australia&#8217;s big fat subsidy.\u00a0 So if your motivation is to save money, be very cautious and maybe keep an eye out for useful offers from Virtual Power Plants.<\/p>\n<p>But if you&#8217;re not worried about losing money, then can I borrow some?\u00a0 I only need enough to get me through Christmas and possibly purchase a small castle.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There&#8217;s a new battery contender in town &#8211; 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