{"id":40405,"date":"2020-06-22T13:01:04","date_gmt":"2020-06-22T02:31:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/?p=40405"},"modified":"2020-06-22T13:44:39","modified_gmt":"2020-06-22T03:14:39","slug":"solar-panel-letid-update","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/solar-panel-letid-update\/","title":{"rendered":"LeTID Update: Unlikely To Become The Problem Many Feared"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_40693\" style=\"width: 1210px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-40693\" class=\"wp-image-40693 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/letid-update.jpg\" alt=\"Solar panels and LeTID issues - update\" width=\"1200\" height=\"628\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/letid-update.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/letid-update-300x157.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/letid-update-1024x536.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/letid-update-768x402.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-40693\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">LeTID: Limited in new PERC panels from reputable manufacturers and probably not a disaster for old ones.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Fourteen months ago I wrote about a type of solar panel degradation called LeTID.\u00a0 This is short for Light and elevated Temperature Induced Deterioration.\u00a0 It&#8217;s also Norwegian for &#8220;laugh time&#8221; which is what I think they called the Joker movie over there.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>LeTID loss is experienced by PERC panels, which are now the most commonly produced kind on the planet.\u00a0 A lot of installed panels have the potential to suffer from it.<\/p>\n<p>While first discovered back in 2012, LeTID mostly took the solar industry by surprise and only became a well-known issue around two years ago.\u00a0 Manufacturers weren&#8217;t happy to discover PERC technology introduced to increase efficiency at low cost could end up costing CEOs their Lamborghinis &#8212; or Hyundais in the case of leaner operators.<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/solar-panel-letid-update\/#en-40405-1' id='enref-40405-1' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(40405)'>1<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n<p>The LeTID problem was first really brought to Australian attention by Ben Neville of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/installer-review\/mc-electrical\/\">MC Electrical<\/a> in this <a href=\"https:\/\/www.mcelectrical.com.au\/big-problems-with-mono-perc-solar-panels-technology\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">article<\/a>.\u00a0 Five months later I <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/perc-solar-panels-letid\/\">wrote about it here<\/a> and concluded that &#8212; while it was a serious problem &#8212; we probably didn&#8217;t need to panic because major solar panel manufacturers were working hard to fix the problem.\u00a0 But I&#8217;m concerned corporate PR departments would say that even if it was a surging tsunami of disaster. So I&#8217;m revisiting the issue to see if &#8212; 14 months after my original article &#8212; I was right that there was no real need to panic. \u00a0Or if I should upgrade my recommendation to full-blown hysterical <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=nR0lOtdvqyg\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">panicking<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>In this article I will tell you:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>\u00a0What LeTID is and how it differs from its degrading brother LID.<\/li>\n<li>\u00a0The kind of panels that suffer it and why LG Neon and SunPower Maxeon panels don&#8217;t.<\/li>\n<li>\u00a0How bad LeTID is and why it&#8217;s probably not a disaster if panels on your roof suffer from it.<\/li>\n<li>\u00a0How to minimise your chances of getting solar panels that suffer LeTID or avoid it entirely.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>By the time you&#8217;ve finished reading you should be able to decide for yourself whether PERC solar panels are the best thing since sliced bread or the worst thing since bread that gets sliced after you&#8217;ve eaten it.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-40573\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/letidjoker.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1280\" height=\"724\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/letidjoker.jpg 1280w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/letidjoker-300x170.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/letidjoker-1024x579.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/letidjoker-768x434.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1280px) 100vw, 1280px\" \/><\/p>\n<h2>LeTID Is Not LID<\/h2>\n<p>One form of PV degradation known about for decades is Light-Induced Degradation or LID.\u00a0 This affects most panels, including all PERC ones, and causes around a 2%\u00a0 decline in output in the first couple of days of exposure to sunlight.\u00a0 It&#8217;s quite different from LeTID that takes years to reach its full extent and can result in much greater deterioration.\u00a0 A quick summary of the differences are:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>LID:<\/strong>\u00a0 Around 2% deterioration.\u00a0 Takes days to occur.\u00a0 Worse in monosilicon solar panels.<\/li>\n<li><strong>LeTID:<\/strong>\u00a0 Can cause over 10% deterioration in severe cases.\u00a0 Takes years to reach full extent.\u00a0 Worse in polysilicon panels.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>All panels that suffer from LID account for it in their performance warranties which generally allow a 2.5% deterioration in the first year.\u00a0 Because LeTID more or less took the PV industry by surprise, warranties contain no special provisions for it.<\/p>\n<h2>Percentage Deterioration &#8212; Not Percentage Points<\/h2>\n<p>Just to be clear, if I say a solar panel degrades by 2% I mean it will produce 2% less energy.\u00a0 It doesn&#8217;t mean a 2 percentage point decrease in panel efficiency.\u00a0 A 20% efficient panel that degrades 2% will become a 19.6% efficient panel, not an 18% efficient one.<\/p>\n<h2>What Is LeTID?<\/h2>\n<p>No one knows what LeTID is caused by.\u00a0 Not when you get down to the nitty-gritty level of atoms and molecules.<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/solar-panel-letid-update\/#en-40405-2' id='enref-40405-2' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(40405)'>2<\/a><\/sup>\u00a0 But researchers working it are pretty sure hydrogen is involved.\u00a0 This is a pity because other researchers are trying to put more hydrogen in solar cells to fix other problems.<\/p>\n<p>While we don&#8217;t know all the chemical details of what&#8217;s going on inside solar cells, we don&#8217;t have to understand what&#8217;s going on to describe LeTID, as I am about to do.\u00a0 Here it goes&#8230; I&#8217;m getting ready to describe it&#8230;\u00a0 Any keystroke now&#8230;\u00a0 Here it comes&#8230;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Light and elevated Temperature Induced Deterioration is deterioration induced by light and elevated temperature<\/strong>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Gee&#8230; that turned out to be easier than I thought it would be.<\/p>\n<p>If you want some details, if you want me to go into the nitty-gritty specifics of just what kind of light and what kind of temperatures are required, I can do that.<\/p>\n<p>The type of light that is bright enough to cause LeTID is sunlight.\u00a0 While you could install panels in the shade, indoors, or upside down to prevent them from being exposed to sunlight, I can&#8217;t recommend this.\u00a0 You&#8217;ll lose far more output than you ever will from LeTID and exposure to sunlight is sort of the whole point of <em>solar <\/em>panels.\u00a0 Sure, they still work when it&#8217;s cloudy, but they work a lot better when them blue skies are smiling down.<\/p>\n<div class=\"youtube-wrapper\"><iframe title=\"Electric Light Orchestra - Mr. Blue Sky (Official Video)\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/aQUlA8Hcv4s?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p>Sunlight alone isn&#8217;t enough to cause LeTID.\u00a0 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Qz4USAe15T4\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Elevated temperatures<\/a> are also required.\u00a0 It can occur anywhere solar panel temperatures regularly exceed 50 degrees in the summer.\u00a0 This map shows all the locations in Australia where this occurs:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-40583 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/aus.jpg\" alt=\"Map of Australia\" width=\"823\" height=\"732\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/aus.jpg 823w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/aus-300x267.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/aus-768x683.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 823px) 100vw, 823px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter if the panels are in Hobart or the Snowy Mountains, in this country they will get hot enough to suffer from LeTID.\u00a0 In Hobart, it won&#8217;t occur as fast as in Marble Bar, but <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/7EweM_ILVt4?t=26\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">it will happen<\/a>.\u00a0 In Australia, if your solar panels are susceptible, there is <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/76oS9pgG5bI?t=19\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">no escape<\/a>.<\/p>\n<h2>LeTID Is A PERC Panel Problem<\/h2>\n<p>Maybe &#8212; technically &#8212; every single solar panel in the world suffers from some tiny amount of LeTID.\u00a0 But it&#8217;s mostly insignificant in panels that aren&#8217;t PERC and so wasn&#8217;t an issue until PERC panels became popular.<\/p>\n<p>If you want to know what a PERC panel is you can <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/perc-solar-panel\/\">read about them here<\/a> &#8212; but I can&#8217;t recommend doing that because a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/perc-solar-panel\/#comment-701763\">commenter thought<\/a> reading that article was about as pleasant as watching President Lyndon Johnson pass a kidney stone.\u00a0 To save you any unnecessary anguish, I&#8217;ll explain <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=ub747pprmJ8\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">right here right now<\/a> what PERC panels are.\u00a0 In a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=2E6uGkotqKA\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">nutshell<\/a>, they have cells with back-surface that increases efficiency over the traditionally used aluminium backing.\u00a0 Because of its relatively low cost, the majority of solar panels produced are now PERC.<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately, it appears the PERC process creates &#8220;reservoirs&#8221;<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/solar-panel-letid-update\/#en-40405-3' id='enref-40405-3' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(40405)'>3<\/a><\/sup> of hydrogen that can work evil LeTID magic on panels.\u00a0 I can&#8217;t explain the process in more detail than that because there&#8217;s a big difference between reading scientific papers and actually understanding them.<\/p>\n<h2>LeTID Affects Monosilicon Less<\/h2>\n<p>Polysilicon PERC panels suffer from considerably more LeTID than monosilicon ones.\u00a0 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/panels\/photovoltaic\/monocrystalline\/\">Monosilicon<\/a> solar cells are made from a single crystal of silicon and look uniform while <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/panels\/photovoltaic\/polycrystalline\/\">polysilicon<\/a> has a &#8220;crazy&#8221; appearance caused by multiple crystals that makes them look kind of pretty.\u00a0 They are also usually bluer than monosilicon:<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_40632\" style=\"width: 618px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-40632\" class=\"wp-image-40632 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/multi-vs-mono-cell.jpg\" alt=\"polysilicon and monosilicon solar cells\" width=\"608\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/multi-vs-mono-cell.jpg 608w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/multi-vs-mono-cell-300x148.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 608px) 100vw, 608px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-40632\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Monosilicon on the right and pretty Polysilicon left.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Monosilicon is a little more efficient, while polysilicon is a little cheaper.\u00a0 Fortunately for Australian households, the number of polysilicon panels installed on roofs has dived over the past couple of years, reducing the chances of rooftop solar suffering from severe LeTID.<\/p>\n<p>Interestingly, silicon from different manufacturers can develop very different levels of LeTID in the field.\u00a0 But even though they may not fully understand what causes it, PERC solar panel manufacturers can reduce it simply by using less susceptible silicon.<\/p>\n<h2>N Type Panels Are LeTID Resistant<\/h2>\n<p>If you don&#8217;t want your panels to have any LeTID, the good news is there are high-efficiency solar panels that don&#8217;t suffer any detectable amount.\u00a0 These are panels that use N-type cells.\u00a0 Most solar panels and all PERC ones use lower-cost P-type cells.\u00a0 LG Solar and SunPower Maxeon panels (SunPower Maxeon 2 and 3 series) are the only N-type panels I know that are commonly sold in Australia, although Panasonic produces them too.\u00a0 If you have these, you can be very sure they&#8217;ll be effectively LeTID free.\u00a0\u00a0 They also have the advantage of not suffering from LID.<\/p>\n<p>If you want to find out the details of N-type and P-type cells you can read <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/p-type-and-n-type-solar-cells-excellent-electron-adventure\/\">this article I wrote<\/a>.\u00a0 You don&#8217;t need to worry about the quality of my writing this time, as it has Keanu Reeves in it, which makes everything better.<\/p>\n<h2>How Bad Is LeTID?<\/h2>\n<p>LeTID is bad, but it&#8217;s not a death sentence for solar panels that have it.\u00a0 In a hot environment &#8212; like most of Australia &#8212; it will gradually progress over several years, causing more decline in output each year, but then it will taper off and stop getting worse.\u00a0 Estimates for how bad it will get vary wildly from source to source and range from&#8230;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>up to 16%<\/li>\n<li>up to 10%<\/li>\n<li>over 7%<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>My guess is if we ignore extreme results, then if your solar panels suffer from major LeTID degradation, it is still likely to be less than 10% for polysilicon panels and less than 7% for monosilicon.\u00a0 But keep in mind you could still be unlucky and lose over 15% deterioration.<\/p>\n<p>If you bought your PERC solar panels three years ago, then in a hot environment like Queensland they may have reached their maximum LeTID deterioration by now, while in Tasmania they may continue to degrade slowly for years to come.<\/p>\n<h2>Solar Panels May Recover From LeTID<\/h2>\n<p>Panels that suffer from LeTID may recover some, or perhaps a great deal, of their lost output if given enough time.\u00a0 The problem is PERC solar panels haven&#8217;t been used long enough in real-life conditions for us to know for certain.\u00a0 But in a hot climate like Brisbane, there may be significant recovery after eight years while in a cold and snowy climate it may take 20 years &#8212; assuming they develop LeTID in a cold climate in the first place.<\/p>\n<p>If you are optimistic you can look forward to LeTID affected panels recovering but, despite the PV industry being reasonably confident it can happen, I wouldn&#8217;t count on it.\u00a0 However, I suppose there is nothing wrong with crossing your fingers and hoping.\u00a0 (Unless of course that time would have been better spent screaming and running away in a blind panic.)<\/p>\n<h2>Is LeTID That Bad?<\/h2>\n<p>If you bought a solar system with monosilicon panels and they suffered 7% degradation due to LeTID, that is a bad thing.\u00a0 Mathematically speaking, it is infinitely worse than 0% LeTID.\u00a0 If you paid $7,000 for your solar system, then 7% degradation is like being ripped off by $490.<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/solar-panel-letid-update\/#en-40405-4' id='enref-40405-4' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(40405)'>4<\/a><\/sup>\u00a0 Worse than that, the lost production is likely to cost you much more over the life of the system.<\/p>\n<p>While I&#8217;d certainly be upset with losing 7% of output to LeTID, since I&#8217;d still be getting 93% of the expected output I probably wouldn&#8217;t become so enraged that I&#8217;d turn green, grow 10 feet tall, and use brute strength to rip the solar panels off the roof and smash them over my head.\u00a0 It&#8217;s very unlikely I&#8217;d do this, as I&#8217;m a very relaxed kind of guy.\u00a0 But I do admit doing this when my Abrams tank didn&#8217;t come with the upholstery I ordered&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-40659\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/hulksmash.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"360\" height=\"203\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Of course, one of the reasons I might not get too annoyed is because solar panels come with performance warranties that protect against loss of output from any source when used according to their manufacturer&#8217;s recommendations.<\/p>\n<h2>Solar Panel Warranties &amp; LeTID<\/h2>\n<p>Fortunately, every PERC solar panel on Australian rooftops has a 25-year performance warranty (30 years in some cases).\u00a0 It covers deterioration from sources internal to the panel when used normally<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/solar-panel-letid-update\/#en-40405-5' id='enref-40405-5' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(40405)'>5<\/a><\/sup> and covers deterioration from LeTID.\u00a0 Here&#8217;s a diagram showing the performance warranty the world&#8217;s largest solar panel manufacturer gives one of their panels: <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-40662 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/cheetahpwar.png\" alt=\"linear solar panel performance warranty\" width=\"836\" height=\"477\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/cheetahpwar.png 836w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/cheetahpwar-300x171.png 300w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/cheetahpwar-768x438.png 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 836px) 100vw, 836px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>This one allows for 2.5% deterioration in the first year and 0.6% each year after that.<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/solar-panel-letid-update\/#en-40405-6' id='enref-40405-6' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(40405)'>6<\/a><\/sup>\u00a0 But if you bought older PERC panels a couple of years ago it&#8217;s likely the performance warranty won&#8217;t be quite as good and will instead be 2.5% in the first year and 0.7% for each additional year.\u00a0 This means the maximum amount of degradation it can suffer in its first five years and remain in warranty will be:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Year 1:\u00a0 2.5%<\/li>\n<li>Year 2:\u00a0 3.2%<\/li>\n<li>Year 3:\u00a0 3.9%<\/li>\n<li>Year 4:\u00a0 4.6%<\/li>\n<li>Year 5:\u00a0 5.3%<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>So during the fourth year, if your panel has suffered 2.5% from LID and other causes and 3% deterioration from LeTID, it will have suffered from a total of 5.5% deterioration.\u00a0 As this exceeds the maximum\u00a0the warranty allows it will be possible to make a warranty claim.<\/p>\n<h2>Measurement Accuracy And Warranties<\/h2>\n<p>If you read the fine print on solar panel warranties, you will see most of them are pretty crap.\u00a0 While they have generally improved, it was not uncommon a couple of years ago for the small print to claim they were allowed a wide margin of error on measurements equal to an extra 3% of deterioration.\u00a0 Fortunately, in Australia, you are protected by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.accc.gov.au\/consumers\/consumer-rights-guarantees\/consumer-guarantees\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Consumer Guarantees<\/a> and companies are not allowed to get away with using small print to reduce the effectiveness of their warranties in this way.\u00a0 They can require an accurate measurement, but they can&#8217;t require a wide margin of error.<\/p>\n<p>In practice, when panels are obviously degraded, reputable manufacturers will replace them without a great deal of fuss.\u00a0 But they can require independent testing, and if that testing shows they are within their performance warranty, then the person making the warranty claim is responsible for the cost.\u00a0 So if you suspect your solar panels have fallen out of their performance warranty but it&#8217;s only borderline, the best option can be to put up with it and keep an eye on them to see if they get worse.<\/p>\n<h2>Diagnosing Deterioration<\/h2>\n<p>The hard part for homeowners is knowing if their panels have suffered from LeTID.\u00a0 While some people &#8212; like me &#8212; might keep detailed records of solar output to help spot declining output, most people don&#8217;t do that.\u00a0 The most effective solution is to use <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/good-solar-guide\/monitoring-systems\/\">solar panel monitoring<\/a> as this can let you see if problems are developing, and the best ones will send you a notification if there is a problem.\u00a0 But these cost money which makes it a bit of a Catch-22 situation.\u00a0 If you instead spend the money getting a better solar power system, you may not have any problems that need monitoring.\u00a0 But it&#8217;s good for the solar industry if you get it because it allows problems to be seen and fixed, so if you can spare the money, please consider it.<\/p>\n<p>For those without monitoring an excellent resource is the <a href=\"https:\/\/solcast.com\/rooftop-solar\/free-pv-system-performance-estimation-tool\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Solcast PV performance estimate page<\/a>.\u00a0 If you enter details of your system it will give you an estimate of how much energy it should have generated over the past week based on local weather conditions. \u00a0\u00a0 But note it is just an estimate and will only indicate if your system if underperforming now.\u00a0 Unless you&#8217;ve kept records, you won&#8217;t know if your system has been like that since day one, in which case panel deterioration isn&#8217;t the problem.\u00a0 But if you try it over a couple of weeks and it appears obvious that your system is not performing as well as it should &#8212; and you are confident that&#8217;s not because of dirt or shading &#8212; then you may wish to contact your installer and let them know there is a problem.<\/p>\n<p>If your installer is no longer around then if you get another installer to inspect your system (which is something you generally should do every 5 years anyway) they can help you decide if you need to make a solar panel performance warranty claim.<sup class='endnote'><a href='https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/solar-panel-letid-update\/#en-40405-7' id='enref-40405-7' onclick='return hhEndnotes_show(40405)'>7<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n<h2>Manufacturers Have Taken Action<\/h2>\n<p>When I first looked into LeTID it appeared many major manufacturers were willing to say they were taking steps to limit LeTID, but I got the impression they didn&#8217;t want to say it very loud.\u00a0 I&#8217;m guessing they wanted to reassure technically minded people on the one hand, but not draw attention to the problem on the other hand; presumably in the hope that the people buying solar panels wouldn&#8217;t realise there was an issue at all.<\/p>\n<p>I guess this strategy worked as I don&#8217;t recall hearing any anti-renewable fossil fools claiming LeTID would destroy solar panels.\u00a0 Instead, they just trotted out the same old arguments they&#8217;ve been <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/20-percent-renewables\/\">using for decades<\/a>.\u00a0 But within the PV industry, there was a lot of panic and for good reason.\u00a0 If enough panels failed to live up to their performance warranties manufacturers could go bankrupt.\u00a0 As a result, two years ago there were a lot of people in the industry shitting bricks and sweating bullets.\u00a0 Or in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/astronergy-solar-panels\/\">Astroboy&#8217;s<\/a> case, vice versa:<\/p>\n<div class=\"youtube-wrapper\"><iframe title=\"Machine Guns in my butt?\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/c4kyx1PFjxk?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p>Luckily for them, the worst-case scenarios didn&#8217;t come to pass.\u00a0 While some large solar farms no doubt had to be compensated, I haven&#8217;t heard of any major producer going bust specifically because of LeTID.\u00a0 But, because it takes years to fully manifest, it could still happen.<\/p>\n<p>Currently, all major manufacturers appear to be on top of the problem, and any PERC panels you buy now are very likely to remain within their performance warranties.\u00a0 This, of course, doesn&#8217;t apply if you buy a crap panel from a crap manufacturer, so caution when buying solar panels is still required.\u00a0 If you want to know which ones we consider reliable and well supported in Australia, there is a graphic displaying them in our <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/solar101.html\">Solar 101 Guide<\/a>.<\/p>\n<h2>LeTID Testing<\/h2>\n<p>Several organisations have developed tests to detect LeTID, and PV Evolution Labs is one of them.\u00a0 Their <a href=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/2020-panel-reliability-scorecard\/\">2020 PV Module Reliability Scorecard<\/a>\u00a0subjected over 50 different modules to testing designed to simulate years of use in a hot climate.\u00a0 The results were reassuring:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-40664 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/pvelletid.jpg\" alt=\"PV Evolution Labs LeTID results\" width=\"575\" height=\"136\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/pvelletid.jpg 575w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/pvelletid-300x71.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 575px) 100vw, 575px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>This means the majority of solar panels tested should remain within their performance warranties.\u00a0 But the report does warn claims that panels are &#8220;LeTID free&#8221; may not be true.\u00a0 This graph gives test results for two almost identical panels from a manufacturer that described both this way:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-40665 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/pvel2test.jpg\" alt=\"LeTID free solar panel claim - results\" width=\"653\" height=\"556\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/pvel2test.jpg 653w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/pvel2test-300x255.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 653px) 100vw, 653px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>To avoid being taken in by manufacturer dishonesty, PV Evolution Labs strongly recommends more testing by companies like PV Evolution Labs.<\/p>\n<h2>LeTID &#8212; Still No Need For Panic<\/h2>\n<p>My 14-month-old conclusion that there is no need to panic appears to have held up.\u00a0 LeTID is annoying &#8212; for one thing, it&#8217;s difficult for most homeowners to tell if their panels have degraded &#8212; but there are mitigating factors that make it a not-really-worth-panicking-about event:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>PERC solar panels bought today or within the past year or so are unlikely to suffer from significant LeTID<\/li>\n<li>LeTID in PERC panels installed over a year ago may be mild enough for them to remain within their performance warranties.<\/li>\n<li>If LeTID doesn&#8217;t remain mild, they can be replaced under their performance warranties and Australian Consumer Guarantees.<\/li>\n<li>In a worse case situation where it&#8217;s not possible to make a warranty claim on badly affected panels, LeTID is likely to reduce output by less than 10% which is bad &#8211; but not disastrous.<\/li>\n<li>Given enough time at least some LeTID deterioration may reverse itself.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>While LeTID is a concern for people who had PERC panels installed over a year ago, I hope and expect it won&#8217;t be a serious problem for most of them.\u00a0 If you&#8217;ve bought solar panels since then from a reputable manufacturer, you probably don&#8217;t have anything to worry about.\u00a0\u00a0 But if you want to improve your chances of avoiding LeTID problems you can:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Buy LG Solar or SunPower Maxeon panels, as they suffer no significant LeTID.<\/li>\n<li>If you buy PERC solar panels, choose monosilicon over polysilicon.<\/li>\n<li>Get panels from a reliable manufacturer.<\/li>\n<li>Get ones with better than average performance warranties.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>If you are buying solar now, then provided the panels are from a reputable manufacturer, I would say there is no need to take special precautions unless you&#8217;re particularly paranoid.\u00a0 I&#8217;m so certain the solar industry has gotten on top of the LeTID problem that, rather than represent LeTID with the disturbing clown image I used at the start of this article, I&#8217;m going to use a happy clown picture instead:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-40666\" src=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/joacker.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"801\" height=\"513\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/joacker.jpg 801w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/joacker-300x192.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/joacker-768x492.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 801px) 100vw, 801px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Clearly, this guy couldn&#8217;t hurt a fly.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Fourteen months ago I wrote about a type of solar panel degradation called LeTID.\u00a0 This is short for Light and elevated Temperature Induced Deterioration.\u00a0 It&#8217;s also Norwegian for &#8220;laugh time&#8221; 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