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The scene in the Brakels’ household last Sunday morning.<\/p><\/div>\n

On Sunday morning the program Sunrise had a segment<\/a> on solar power and battery storage. While I am glad whenever popular TV takes the opportunity to educate people on these topics, that wasn’t what happened here. It was the opposite of education, as anyone watching it could easily come away believing the following three things:<\/p>\n

1. Battery storage pays for itself.
\n2. Battery storage cuts CO2 emissions.
\n3. Rooftop solar needs batteries to be worthwhile.<\/p>\n

None of these things are true.<\/p>\n

Battery storage does not pay for itself when used on-grid and it may be years before it does.<\/p>\n

Home batteries do not cut emissions, they increase them. In the future they may allow us to decrease greenhouse gas emissions, but that point is still years away.<\/p>\n

Rooftop solar by itself is cost effective. It is adding batteries that can make it uneconomical.\u00a0 The mistaken belief that rooftop solar needs batteries to be effective is causing harm to both the solar industry and the environment, as people are delaying installing rooftop solar until batteries become affordable.<\/p>\n

Batteries Can’t Give You $1 A Day Electricity<\/h2>\n

At the start of the segment, the cheerful presenters of Sunrise looked into the camera and said:<\/p>\n

\u201cWhat if you could spend less than a dollar a day on all your household power?\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cIt’s the latest trend in renewable energy with some households saving thousands of dollars a year and it’s all thanks to one small battery.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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The small battery they are referring to is the 100kg Tesla Powerwall. But at this time neither this battery nor any other is capable of saving you money when used for on-grid storage.<\/p>\n

This is very easy to determine by looking at how much an installed Powerwall costs and estimating how much electricity it is likely to store over its lifetime.<\/p>\n

The Cost Of A Powerwall<\/h2>\n

A Sydney Hairdresser interviewed by Sunrise was asked about installing his Powerwall.\u00a0 He said it cost him:<\/p>\n

\u201cRoughly ’round about $14,000.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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He paid $14,000 with for a Powerwall with an inverter<\/a> that allows him to use it when the grid is down1<\/a><\/sup>. If you want a Powerwall without the ability to use it during a blackout, one can be added to an existing solar system for as little as $9,900.<\/p>\n

The Lifetime Storage Capacity Of A Powerwall<\/h2>\n

A Powerwall has a 10 year warranty.\u00a0 I think it is reasonable to expect it to last two years beyond this point.\u00a0 Because lithium-ion batteries deteriorate from use and degrade over time if they are not used, I don’t think it is reasonable to expect it to last much longer than this.\u00a0 But I will be optimistic and assume that it survives for 14 years.<\/p>\n

From looking at its original warranty<\/a>, I can calculate that if a Powerwall lasts 4 years beyond its 10 year warranty period and is used at its full available capacity each day, which is unlikely, then it would be able to store a total of approximately 21,650 kilowatt-hours<\/a>2<\/a><\/sup>.<\/p>\n

If we divide the $9,900 cost of an installed Powerwall by the estimated 21,650 kilowatt-hours of stored electricity it could provide, we get a cost of 46 cents per kilowatt-hour.<\/p>\n

Each kilowatt-hour stored will result in the loss of the feed-in tariff that would have been received if it had been sent into the grid.\u00a0 This generally ranges from 5-10 cents.\u00a0 If we assume the home has a 6 cent feed-in tariff, with efficiency losses, that would push the cost of storage up to 53 cents per kilowatt-hour.<\/p>\n

Paying for the cost of capital would push the cost higher, but I am going to be extremely generous and assume the cost of capital is 0%.\u00a0 This has the advantage of keeping the calculation simple and saving me a lot of wear and tear on my calculator, but has the disadvantage of ignoring a significant portion of the real cost.<\/p>\n

As the cost of each kilowatt-hour stored in my very optimistic scenario comes to 53 cents per kilowatt-hour and the cost of grid electricity in Sydney is around 25 cents on a standard tariff or around 45 cents during week-day peak periods on a time-of-use tariff, it is clearly impossible for a Powerwall to save people money.\u00a0 It simply cannot pay for itself at its current price.<\/p>\n

The Cost Of Battery Storage Has To Fall A Long Way To Pay<\/h2>\n

If a family on a time-of-use tariff only used stored electricity during the period with the highest electricity price each day, then even with my optimistic assumptions, a Powerwall would have to be installed for under $7,000 for them to break even.<\/p>\n

For a family on a standard electricity tariff it would have to be installed for under $4,700 to break even.<\/p>\n

So even in an unrealistically optimistic scenario the installed cost of a Powerwall would have to be thousands of dollars less in order for it to pay for itself.\u00a0 This means for Sunrise to suggest people can save money by installing a Powerwall at its current cost is completely nuts. It is as nutty as a lumpy chocolate bar.
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The Powerwall Is Very Expensive Backup Power<\/h2>\n

The Sydney Hairdresser interviewed by Sunrise said one of the reasons he bought a Powerwall was to provide backup power during blackouts.<\/p>\n

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Unfortunately, a new Powerwall can only provide around 3.3 kilowatts<\/a> of power for about 1 hour and 40 minutes and this will decrease as it ages.\u00a0 One hair dryer can draw 2.2 kilowatts of power. This means it is not possible to serve many customers for very long using a single Powerwall.<\/p>\n

Generators that can provide more power and operate longer off a single tank of fuel than a Powerwall can be bought for less than $1,000. They are smelly and noisy, but are a more cost effective source of back-up power for most businesses.\u00a0 And though it may seem strange, because blackouts happen so rarely in Australian cities, generators can be better for the environment than using batteries.<\/p>\n

Reece Turner From Solar Citizens Did Not Set Sunrise Straight<\/h2>\n

Towards the end of the segment, Reece Turner from Solar Citizens<\/a> was interviewed. I was looking forward to him setting the Sunrise presenters straight on a few points, but he didn’t do this.\u00a0 Unfortunately, both Reece Turner and the Sunrise presenters incorrectly think home battery storage decreases emissions rather than increases them.<\/p>\n

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Battery Storage Does Not Reduce CO2 Emissions<\/h2>\n

Currently in Australia, if a home doesn’t have battery storage, any rooftop solar electricity not used by the household is sent into the grid and reduces fossil fuel generation and so reduces CO2 emissions.<\/p>\n

If that solar electricity was instead stored in a battery that was 100% efficient, then the situation would be basically the same.\u00a0 The stored solar electricity wouldn’t reduce fossil fuel emissions during the day, but it would reduce them at night when the household uses the stored energy instead of grid electricity.<\/p>\n

But there is no such thing as a 100% efficient battery. There are always losses. Depending on how it is installed a Powerwall is only going to be about 83-92% efficient. This means more energy has to be put into the battery than can be taken out and so each kilowatt-hour of usable stored electricity results in more emissions<\/a> than if the solar power had been sent directly into the grid.<\/p>\n

Batteries May Reduce Emissions In The Future<\/h2>\n

In the future batteries may reduce emissions by storing renewable energy that otherwise would have gone to waste, but Australia is not near this point. This includes South Australia which generates a greater portion of its electricity from wind and solar than any other state.<\/p>\n

Rooftop Solar That Can Power A House Costs More Than $3,000<\/h2>\n

The presenters asked Reece Turner how people can go about getting rooftop solar. Personally, I recommend starting with three quotes.\u00a0 But this wasn’t what Reece suggested.\u00a0 He said he had solar installed recently and that:<\/p>\n

\u201cYou pay about $3,000 for a system that completely electrifies your house.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Now maybe Reece misspoke here. It’s easy to do when you are on a TV program. It is a pretty unnerving experience. Reece Turner most likely\u00a0leads a very energy efficient lifestyle.\u00a0 But it is not possible to generate enough electricity to match the consumption of the average Australian home with a $3,000 solar system. In Sydney $3,000 is less than the average price of a 1.5 kilowatt system<\/a>, which is the smallest size normally installed. \u00a0 And I would recommend getting a system with high quality components from a reliable installer that costs a little more than average.<\/p>\n

A 1.5 kilowatt system is only going to produce around 5.5 kilowatt-hours a day in Sydney. That is less than one-third the daily average of 19 kilowatt-hours a typical Sydney household of three without gas uses. To produce that much a day on average would require around 5 kilowatts or more of rooftop solar. In Sydney a quality system that large is likely to cost<\/a> around $7,000 or more.<\/p>\n

Not Getting Facts Straight Hurts The Solar Industry<\/h2>\n

Suggesting that people can get a system that will power a typical home for $3,000 hurts installers.\u00a0 It will cause people to anchor<\/a> the price they expect to pay too low and when they find out what it actually costs to install a system large enough to match their home’s consumption, a considerable number won’t get solar because they will feel they are getting ripped off.\u00a0 This is despite the fact that installing quality rooftop solar has never been cheaper.<\/p>\n

Pitching a low price for solar on Sunrise will also make people think the cheap systems<\/a> they see advertised in newspapers, that use low quality components and low quality installers, are a good idea.\u00a0 After all, Solar Citizens appeared to suggest they are okay.\u00a0 And when these low quality systems have problems and people find the shonky company that installed them has no intention of rectifying them, it puts them off solar and five of their friends.<\/p>\n

Suggesting that batteries can pay for themselves also hurts the industry because people will inquire about the cost of rooftop solar plus batteries and when they find out how much it actually is, many will give up on the idea of installing solar. \u00a0Here at SolarQuotes where we interact with thousands of people a month, we are hearing this more and more. If people think solar power needs batteries to be effective, that hurts the solar industry.<\/p>\n

We’re All In The Same Boat<\/h2>\n

It is not surprising that Sunrise arrived at incorrect conclusions about battery storage.\u00a0 There are marketers and PR people whose entire job is to convince the media to portray the product of whoever is paying their salary in a favorable light.\u00a0 And the media also has a strong tendency to favor ratings over fact checking.<\/p>\n

But when false or misleading information starts being spread, those who care about solar power and the future of our environment need to be ready to counter it with the truth.\u00a0 Solar installers, Solar Citizens, and the vast majority of the Australian population, all want clean renewable energy.\u00a0 We’re all in the same boat.\u00a0 We just need to make sure we’re all rowing in the same direction.<\/p>\n

Solar Citizens is doing great work promoting solar power and pushing politicians to act in the interests of their constituents and not fossil fuel interests.\u00a0 But more has to be done to stop misleading information that harms the solar industry, whether it comes from marketers with a product to sell, or simply from unrealistic\u00a0optimism.<\/p>\n

Australians need to know that the best way to get their bills down right now is high quality solar plus energy efficiency<\/a>. In a few years time they can add affordable batteries as the icing on the cake. Until we are united in that message many people will continue to buy low quality solar, or simply put off solar altogether because they can’t afford to shell out $14k for a Powerwall right now.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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