{"id":8126,"date":"2016-11-18T09:50:03","date_gmt":"2016-11-18T00:20:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/?p=8126"},"modified":"2025-01-02T08:46:04","modified_gmt":"2025-01-01T23:16:04","slug":"will-reposit-really-halve-the-payback-time-of-your-battery","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/will-reposit-really-halve-the-payback-time-of-your-battery\/","title":{"rendered":"Reposit Power Review: Does It Really Halve The Payback Time Of Your Battery?"},"content":{"rendered":"
\"Reposit

Do you feel lucky? Maybe you can make a great return with Reposit by selling electricity to the grid, and maybe you can’t.\u00a0Find out with our Reposit Power review.<\/p><\/div>\n

Reposit is a Canberra based startup. They make software which\u00a0optimizes the performance of a\u00a0home battery system. The software is installed on a controller the size of a circuit breaker that sits in your switchboard.<\/p>\n

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The Reposit Box. It sits in your switchboard and controls your battery.<\/p><\/div>\n

That in itself is nothing special. There are heaps of companies developing software to\u00a0improve the financial performance of a home battery system.<\/p>\n

The unique thing about Reposit is that it allows you to make some extra money when there is a surge in wholesale electricity prices. If you\u00a0are with the right electricity retailer,\u00a0you can get $1.00 per kWh for your exported electricity, during\u00a0certain ‘high price’ events on your local\u00a0grid.<\/p>\n

Considering\u00a0typical feed-in-tariffs<\/a>\u00a0are $0.06 to $0.10 per kWh, does this mean\u00a0battery owners with Reposit have hit the jackpot? Reposit seem to think so.<\/p>\n

If you install a Reposit box with a compatible battery, Reposit claims it will halve the time it takes to pay off it off.\u00a0 Here’s a direct quote from their website:<\/p>\n

“Reposit learns, adapts and predicts your energy usage so you\u2019re getting the most from your solar. What\u2019s more, you\u2019ll save on your energy bills which means, on average, you\u2019ll pay off your battery in half the time.”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

And here is a video clip of Lachlan Blackhall, co-founder and Chief Technical Officer (CTO) of Reposit saying:<\/p>\n

“Reposit minimizes your electricity bill and halves the payback time of an average battery.\u00a0 When the price of energy in the wholesale market is high or when the grid needs extra energy to remain stable, Reposit can sell your energy back to the grid, earning you Grid-credits.”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/reposit-halve-payback.mp4<\/a><\/video><\/div>\n

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In the full version<\/a> of this video he goes on to say:<\/p>\n

“Getting Reposit technology adds about 5% to the cost of a battery purchase, but the economic benefits alone mean that if you’re buying a battery and not adding Reposit you are absolutely crazy.”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

It all sounds very impressive.\u00a0 If I had known Reposit could halve the payback time of batteries I wouldn’t have spent the last year telling people, “No, they don’t pay for themselves yet, you’ll have to wait a while longer.”\u00a0 Instead, I would have been saying, “Yeah man, batteries pay for themselves!\u00a0 Just make sure you’ve got Reposit and you’re good to go!”<\/p>\n

If Reposit had\u00a0sent me information ages ago showing how great their product is, I could have happily let everyone know about it. \u00a0But they didn’t. And I can’t blame them – as I didn’t actually ask.\u00a0To right that wrong,\u00a0several weeks ago I asked them to provide me with historical information showing how well their technology performs.<\/p>\n

They didn’t give it to me.<\/p>\n

Because I didn’t have information from Reposit to work with, and because there is almost no information of substance on their website, I had to look into it on my own.<\/p>\n

As a result, I have concluded that while installing Reposit may save people money and be an effective investment, it is very difficult to estimate what the return might be. Further,\u00a0I just cannot see how Reposit can be correct when they say they can “halve the payback time of the average battery”.<\/p>\n

Reposit Qualifies “Average Battery”<\/h2>\n

About a month ago now, I called Reposit, and asked if they could\u00a0send me data showing the historical performance of home battery systems using their technology. \u00a0They promised to\u00a0get it to me in 5-10 days.\u00a0 After two weeks they\u00a0let me know they’d been delayed but he would get back to me. After about three weeks from when I first contacted them\u00a0they called me and told me they had looked into the historical data and said that Reposit would halve the payback time of batteries for people on time-of-use tariffs. \u00a0They also told me it would increase the average number of times the battery is cycled per day from 0.8 up to 1 to 1.3 times.<\/p>\n

I thanked them\u00a0for telling me this and asked them\u00a0to email me the data. They didn’t send it.<\/p>\n

But Reposit\u00a0did kindly send me an email repeating\u00a0what they\u00a0had told me over the phone:<\/p>\n

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  1. For ToU customers Reposit doubles the savings (and halves the payback times) when compared to non-Reposit systems that only try to maximise self-consumption. The additional savings that Reposit achieves are based on intelligent pre-charging, ToU arbitrage and GridCredits.<\/li>\n
  2. Reposit achieves average utilisations factors for ToU customers in excess of 1 and up to 1.3 (average utilisation for non-Reposit systems is approximately 0.8). On individual days Reposit is able to achieve utilisation factors up to 2 for some customers.<\/li>\n
  3. Reposit is seeing an increasing amount of GridCredits opportunities nationally that will increase the savings that customers are able to achieve with Reposit technology.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    If you are wondering what “ToU” means, it stands for “time-of-use tariff<\/a>” where the amount people pay for grid electricity depends on the time they use it.\u00a0 Time-of-use tariffs have a high “peak” price during weekday afternoons and evenings, a low “off peak”\u00a0price\u00a0late at night and early in the morning, and a moderate “shoulder”\u00a0price\u00a0the rest of the time.<\/p>\n

    There Is A Lot Of Variation In Time-Of-Use Tariffs<\/h2>\n

    Reposit told me\u00a0a time-of-use tariff is required to halve the payback time of a battery using Reposit.\u00a0 Time-of-use tariffs can definitely improve the economics of battery storage, but I have wonder which one he means?\u00a0 In Sydney and Perth the peak rate for a time-of-use tariff is around 48 cents a kilowatt-hour.\u00a0 But Brisbane’s peak rate is about two-thirds that at around 34 cents.\u00a0 And in Melbourne and Canberra it’s around 24 and 22 cents respectively.<\/p>\n

    If Reposit was more forthcoming with which time-of-use tariffs they are referring to then we would know which parts of the country they think they can halve battery payback times.<\/p>\n

    “Systems That Only Maximize Self Consumption”<\/h2>\n

    Reposit told me that\u00a0people on a time-of-use tariff can halve the payback time of their batteries compared to, “…non-Reposit systems that only try to maximise self-consumption.”<\/p>\n

    I find it very easy to believe a battery system equipped with Reposit could halve its payback time in places such as Sydney and Perth compared to, “…systems that only try to maximise self-consumption.”<\/p>\n

    But I find it very hard to believe the average battery installed in these places would, “…only try to maximise self-consumption,” because that would be a really primitive\u00a0way to control\u00a0a battery system.\u00a0 So I don’t think Resposit is correct when they say they can halve the payback time of the average battery system because I don’t think the average battery system is controlled by such primitive software.<\/p>\n

    For example, if an original Tesla Powerwall<\/a> is connected with a StorEdge<\/a> Inverter and Interface the software in the battery inverter\u00a0can take advantage of time-of-use tariffs.<\/p>\n

    But maybe Reposit has information that shows the average battery system does only try to maximise self-consumption.\u00a0 If they do, I’d like to see it.<\/p>\n

    GridCredits Can Save You An Unknown Amount Of Money<\/h2>\n

    If you are with the retailer\u00a0Diamond Energy<\/a> and have Reposit then it is possible to earn ‘GridCredits’ by selling electricity from your battery system to the grid.<\/p>\n

    As explained in the introduction, this very smart idea is Reposit’s ‘secret sauce’. It is the main reason people would choose to invest in Reposit instead of relying on the battery optimisation software that comes as standard with their battery.<\/p>\n

    Here’s how it works: When the wholesale price of electricity goes high enough, what Reposit calls a ‘grid event’ occurs. For each kilowatt-hour exported from your batteries\u00a0to the grid during\u00a0this time, you will receive one GridCredit.\u00a0 GridCredits are worth $1 each.<\/p>\n

    It doesn’t matter how high the actual price of electricity goes, each kilowatt-hour your provide will still only be worth $1.\u00a0 So if the wholesale price of grid electricity was $10 a kilowatt-hour during a grid event you would receive 10% of that amount.<\/p>\n

    I asked Reposit how often these grid events occur. \u00a0They didn’t tell me.<\/p>\n

    Their website FAQ<\/a> states:<\/p>\n

    “Some parts of the grid will experience these events twice monthly \u2013 like in South Australia \u2013 while other parts of the grid are currently oversupplied with coal generators and are less volatile.”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    This is not a lot of information to go on.\u00a0 While it is not possible for Reposit to know how many grid events there will be in the future, they definitely could provide a state by state breakdown of how many grid events there have been in the past. Then people can decide whether or not they like the odds in their area.<\/p>\n

    Reposit say they are seeing an increasing number of grid events.\u00a0 I’d like Reposit\u00a0to quantify\u00a0that. And I can’t understand why they are so hesitant to publish a list of historic ‘grid events’ to help people determine the value of this feature in their home state.<\/p>\n

    Potential Earnings From Grid Events<\/h2>\n

    Reposit’s software will predict when a grid event is likely to occur and ensure your battery is adequately charged.\u00a0 A battery won’t always be able to supply all its stored capacity in every grid event, but I am going to be very optimistic and assume that it will.<\/p>\n

    If, as their website suggests, South Australia can expect\u00a0a grid event twice a month then someone with a brand new, original Powerwall who sends its maximum storage capacity into the grid each time would earn around 148 GridCredits over 12 months.\u00a0 This would be worth $148.\u00a0 But since electricity used for grid events isn’t available for household use, the amount saved would be less than this.\u00a0 If it all had to be made up by electricity from the grid it would only save around $1041<\/a><\/sup>.\u00a0 If instead of sending its full capacity during grid events the battery was only able to manage an average of half that then over a year it might only save as little as $52.<\/p>\n

    But whether you’d actually average 2 grid events a month in South Australia is not clear and no real information is provided about other states – except it would be less.\u00a0 Without actual historical data from Reposit showing how often grid events occur and how long they last, we really have no way to predict how much money could be saved. We can’t calculate how much money existing Reposit customers have saved by having Reposit’s\u00a0unique GridCredits feature.<\/p>\n

    But More Batteries Means Fewer Grid Events<\/h2>\n

    Reposit says they are seeing an increase in grid events. But if Australia installs 250,000 battery systems by 2020, as Reposit CTO Lachlan says he expects2<\/a><\/sup>, then this should be more than enough storage to reduce the incidence of grid events over the next three years.<\/p>\n

    If these 250,000 battery systems have an average output of 3.3 kilowatts of power they will be able to provide 825 megawatts3<\/a><\/sup> in total which is almost 2% of the total generating capacity<\/a> of the National Electricity Market.<\/p>\n

    By my reckoning, this should significantly reduce the number of grid events that people with Reposit may be relying upon to earn them GridCredits.\u00a0 It should also reduce the difference between peak and off-peak rates for time-of-use tariffs, tariffs reducing the value of using stored energy during peak periods and reducing the value of electricity arbitrage.<\/p>\n

    I’m happy to be wrong on this, but at the very least Reposit should address what appears – to a layman like me – to be an issue with their business model. I’m sure Reposit have done the modelling – and it would be great if they could share it\u00a0publicly.<\/p>\n

    Reposit Allows Energy Monitoring<\/h2>\n

    Reposit works as an energy monitor for your home and through the use of an app allows energy consumption, solar electricity generation, and battery use to be tracked.\u00a0 This can be a very useful tool for households to use to reduce their electricity bills by maximising their self consumption of solar electricity and reducing their peak grid electricity use.\u00a0 A dedicated energy monitor without Reposit’s other benefits can cost from $220<\/a>.<\/p>\n

    Reposit Chews A Lot Of Internet<\/h2>\n

    The Reposit system is designed to work around occasionally losing access to the internet.\u00a0 But it does use a crapload\u00a0of bandwidth.\u00a0 Reposit’s FAQ<\/a> says:<\/p>\n

    “…the system will require about 1GB of data per month.”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    That’s one billion characters.\u00a0 Moby Dick4<\/a><\/sup> has about one million characters.\u00a0 So Reposit sends data equivalent to one thousand Moby Dicks a month.\u00a0 That’s more than one Moby Dick an hour.\u00a0 No matter how much you enjoy tales of seamen and sperm whales, that’s definitely going overboard.<\/p>\n

    The Cost Of Installing Reposit<\/h2>\n

    It costs $500-$600 to install Reposit for a home with single phase power.\u00a0 Currently there are three compatible battery systems listed on Reposit’s website – the original Tesla Powerwall, the LG Chem RESU6.4, and the Magellan RES1.<\/p>\n

    The replacement for the original Powerwall, the Powerwall 2<\/a> was recently announced.\u00a0 The LG Chem RESU6.4 has been replaced by the LG Chem RESU6.5<\/a>.\u00a0 And Magellan no longer has the RES1 on their website<\/a>.<\/p>\n

    I’m assuming Reposit are working on integrating their technology with the current battery models.<\/p>\n

    It Has A 10 Year Warranty<\/h2>\n

    Reposit has a 10 year warranty on its system.\u00a0 That’s not bad and matches the warranty of most new battery systems on the market.\u00a0 Of course, as with any product, a company still has to be around to support a warranty.\u00a0 Generally this would go without saying, but I mention it in this case because when a company goes belly up their products usually will still function.\u00a0 But if Reposit’s servers stop working it’s game over.\u00a0 As anyone who has played server based games can tell you.<\/p>\n

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     <\/p>\n

    This is a consideration when buying a Reposit system.<\/p>\n

    It Only Has To Pay For Itself<\/h2>\n

    Reposit doesn’t need\u00a0to halve the payback period of batteries to be worthwhile. \u00a0If they provided information that showed it would save an average of $70 or more a year, then at $600 or less to install, and assuming a lifespan of only 12 years, many people would be happy with the 3%+ return that would represent.<\/p>\n

    But I have no solid information I can use to estimate what kind of return it might give.\u00a0 I have tried to get the information from Reposit, but they are hesitant to provide it. Naturally, that makes a cynical bugger like me question their bold payback claims.<\/p>\n

    I can say that if you are on a time-of-use tariff and you have a battery system that only tries to maximise self-consumption you really need to do something about that, but Reposit isn’t your only option.<\/p>\n

    We Need Software Like Reposit’s<\/h2>\n

    The world needs the type of services Reposit provides. Services that both enable and encourage battery households to supply stored solar power in to the grid when needed.\u00a0 This can reduce electricity transmission and distribution costs and help integrate clean renewable energy into the grid, reduce fossil fuel use and reduce grid outages.<\/p>\n

    But it is important to be fair and transparent to customers.\u00a0 If claims are made about a product it can’t live up to, people can become disillusioned. That can hurt our industry. If someone believes Reposit when they say it, “…halves the payback time of an average battery,”\u00a0 she might become very annoyed and seek a legal remedy if it doesn’t.<\/p>\n

    I hope Reposit will have a successful future, because we need people writing the sort of software they make and who can adapt it as required to deal with things such as demand tariffs<\/a> and other complexities the Australian electricity market frequently throws in the face of consumers.<\/p>\n

    But until they publish some of the data sitting on their servers, data that quantifies the payback of existing Reposit systems, consumers looking for a financial return won’t be able\u00a0to judge for themselves if it is a good idea or not to invest $500-$600 in a Reposit box – so they can take advantage of $1 GridCredits.<\/p>\n

    As my father always used to say, “In business, whenever there is any doubt, there is no doubt.”<\/p>\n

    https:\/\/www.solarquotes.com.au\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/no-doubt.mp4<\/a><\/video><\/div>\n

     <\/p>\n

    Even if it transpires that the GridCredits income is minimal, many consumers may\u00a0still invest in the system simply because it supports the integration of renewables into the grid. But those consumers\u00a0still have the right to see the data behind Reposit’s claims. I personally think it is a shame\u00a0that such a small, innovative, important and nimble company appears so\u00a0opaque.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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