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\"Solar

Since 2008 for this installation<\/p><\/div>\n

Perhaps it\u2019s a function of the ludicrous property market, but Australians all seem to obsess about return on investment these days. Some people say they\u2019re too old to install solar power, but I\u2019d like to explore why it\u2019s always a good idea, no matter what stage of life you\u2019re at.<\/p>\n


\nOne of the most gracious customers I ever came across was a Mr VanSelden. I don\u2019t often remember names at the best of times, especially people I\u2019ve only ever met once, but this bloke has stuck with me since 2008.<\/p>\n

The reason was that at 80 years of age he openly stated the monetary return on this system didn\u2019t matter as he wasn\u2019t likely going to be around to see it pay itself off.<\/p>\n

Still, he couldn\u2019t imagine a better way to spend the money in his bank account.<\/p>\n

Doing The Right Thing<\/h2>\n

Mr VanSelden simply thought it was a good outcome. It would save him money in the short term, it would add value to the retirement house he was installing it on. His children would see some return on the value of his estate and it would improve the environmental outcomes for his grandchildren.<\/p>\n

At the time there was an $8000 federal government grant available, which meant he could leverage his money made on an otherwise very expensive investment.<\/p>\n

The state government also offered a premium feed-in tariff, so the very small 1kW system would have an outsized impact on his bill and the financial return should fall inside the warranty.<\/p>\n

The warranty didn\u2019t matter much though; if the systems malfunctioned in 10 years, that would be a concern for others.<\/p>\n

Taking The Long Term View<\/h2>\n

What both of these incentives did was establish a new industry, train a new workforce, write new standards and very visibly normalise a new way of generating power.<\/p>\n

Though $12,000 per kilowatt was horrendously expensive compared to the technology available now, being an early adopter paid off in the long term.<\/p>\n

The double whammy in this case is that $12,000 will now buy you ten times more solar, because the industry has now matured and competition is so fierce.<\/p>\n

Being A Visionary Shouldn\u2019t Be So Abnormal<\/h2>\n

Former Prime Minister John Howard was criminally backward in many instances. He spent ten times as much R&D money on the fraud of \u201cclean coal\u201d than he did renewables.<\/p>\n

However we must acknowledge he did introduce the Solar Homes and Communities Program and the Renewable Energy Target.<\/p>\n

Though the $4000 SHCP wasn\u2019t enough to begin with, the government decided to inject more money and the nascent industry told them to double the eligibility from 1kW to 2kW, which would have bought everyone a bigger system and incentivised more private investment.<\/p>\n

Instead, they just doubled the grant and by the time it was wound up we had seen the first round of cheap rubbish components sold as \u201cfree\u201d solar power systems.<\/p>\n

A Scheme With a Legacy<\/h2>\n

The RET was also ineffectual, but it at least offered a mechanism that Howard’s successors would ramp up into a useful tool. Despite wanton vandalism during the Abbott years, it\u2019s a scheme that is still at work today, though it will be outlived by the recklessly stupid LNG contracts Howard signed.<\/p>\n

Though STC incentives fall 7% each year, so does the price of panels. Roughly speaking, the top 200 polluters in the country subsidise your solar power system to the tune of 30%. Effectively the glass on your roof is still free.1<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n

\"Solar

It’s insane how the “experts” repeatedly couldn’t envision how successful free fuel would be. Blind freddy can see solar has got some legs on it now.<\/p><\/div>\n

Before Heat Pumps Had Been Heard Of<\/h2>\n

Mr VanSelden was also forward-thinking with his water heating. The now sadly defunct Solar Depot was a holistic solar company that used to offer remote area power systems alongside complete packages including hot water and space heating.<\/p>\n

As dealers for Solahart, they installed a lot of close-coupled solar hot water services. You\u2019ve seen them; two panels on the roof and a shiny silver tank laid horizontally across the top.<\/p>\n

In this instance we craned up a smaller version, around 200 litres and one flat plate solar collector.<\/p>\n

They\u2019re a genuinely good solution, though they never saw fit to use an evacuated glass tube collector.<\/p>\n

If you have one already then replace it with the same. Sadly, the flat plate collectors are now imported but nothing else has changed in the last 30 odd years.<\/p>\n

1kW Was King<\/h2>\n

The solar power for this house was an equally modest setup. An SMA Sunny Boy 1100 watt inverter with ten Mitsubishi Thin Film solar panels.<\/p>\n

Looking at the images of this install I realise this was so long ago. We spent many years using a bespoke framing system but simple square tubes and angles are long gone.<\/p>\n

There was a time when both the margin in solar was so good, and the parts availability was so bad, that we would make tile interface brackets at home in the shed. I got that process down to 58 seconds each.<\/p>\n

\"Solar

Framing cut to size from 6mt. lengths of aluminium, held together with stainless tek screws. Hand made tile brackets and no rooftop isolators!<\/p><\/div>\n

Yield Is More Than Dollars<\/h2>\n

A 1kW system in Adelaide should make around 4.4kWh\/day, so 17 years on this system would have made 27,000kW. Valued at 44 cents, that\u2019s $11,880, or around 3 times the out-of-pocket expense.<\/p>\n

Of course not every one of these kilowatt hours was that expensive. Offsetting consumption at 20c\/kWh reduced the financial return, so we used to tell people to \u201cexport during the day and buy power back in at night for half price.\u201d This customer training was the only perverse outcome of early solar power.<\/p>\n

In any case this power represents coal unburnt and pollution abated.<\/p>\n

\"Aerial

You can date a solar installation roughly just by counting the modules. 6 panels in 2008 cost the same as 28 panels today, with 2.5 times more rated power.<\/p><\/div>\n

Returns Are More Than Investment<\/h2>\n

While people might consider depreciation when they consider buying a new car, they seldom ever run a cost-benefit analysis on buying a couch or owning a dog.<\/p>\n

While solar power is bolted to your roof \u2014 themselves now sadly seen as investment vehicles more than they are valued for the utility and security of keeping the occupants dry \u2014 not everything comes down to bean counting.<\/p>\n

I\u2019ll argue the best thing about solar is that it empowers people. It gives them tools and more importantly it evaporates the helpless malaise of energy consumption.<\/p>\n

Rather than just flicking the switch and accepting there\u2019s no alternative to being stiffed by the energy industry, people now have their own power. Self-interest is enough interest to make consumers think about how they can get one back and reduce their bill.<\/p>\n

The knock on is they have incentive to minimise their impact on the environment.<\/p>\n

A Win For Everyone<\/h2>\n

Buying a solar system in your later years may run a risk of not paying off in a strict financial sense, so do the sums yourself with our solar calculator<\/a> to estimate payback time.<\/p>\n

I had a look on Google Maps the other day and saw that the solar array on Mr VanSelden’s roof remains in place right where I installed it. There’s more panels on the roof beside them now, but it’s reassuring that the work has proven durable.<\/p>\n

We all owe these early adopters a debt of gratitude. While the energy yield may be small, what’s more important is their willingness to invest drove prices down for all who followed.<\/p>\n

I don’t know whether Mr VanSelden has moved on or passed on \u2014 but I do know that his legacy is still with us.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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