Pour Decisions: When Concreting Goes Wrong

Concrete pouringHome electrification isn’t just the work of electricians, but also their natural enemy: the concreter. I’ve tried my hand at the dark arts of concreting over the years, and found that some jobs are about as painful as beating your head against a cement wall.

Do You Need A Concreter To Electrify Your Home?

In what may become a series of humorously painful yarns, today we’ll be cursing concreters, but don’t worry, we’re safe in this forum because they can’t read anyway. 1

At first glance they might not seem relevant to solar and home electrification, but there’s plenty of scenarios where the cement mixer needs summoning. While precast pavers are handy, sometimes there’s no substitute for pouring something proper to support your solar battery, hot water heat pump or the external unit of a reverse cycle air conditioner.

Heads Full Of Cement

Much like concreters themselves, concreting might seem simple, but it can get surprisingly complicated.

A few years ago I had an issue with the conduit installed into an off grid house. The formworkers had twisted the conduit around, and it ending up parallel to the wall instead of poking out of it. Getting wiring to draw through this would be impossible with an extra 90º bend involved.

Either we had to run pipe up the outside and make it ugly, or we could try exposing and turning the conduit. In this image the adventure had already begun.

conduit through a concrete footing

Orange shows where the cables would approach inside the wall frame and blue indicates where they had to go in a nice sweeping bend, but green explains the task is made impossible.

Wake Up And Smell The Concrete

If there’s one thing I’ve learnt over the years, it’s that concrete fresh out of a truck will go everywhere you don’t want it to and is almost as sloppy as the blokes who work with it. As a night owl myself, about the only respect I’ll offer them is for the ability to scramble out of bed to work in the early hours.

When I’ve set up shed floors and the like, I’ve found you have to be really specific with what you want, and make it downright difficult to do anything else, otherwise things will likely get mangled, misplaced or vandalised.

conduit through a concrete footing

After a few passes with the grinder and the SDS chisel this was looking like a little more involved than first thought.

A smarter operator would have just made it the customer’s problem, but the problem as I saw it was this customer was a such a nice bloke. He was far nicer than my boss, who was also best mates with the customer, so I just had to make it work.

conduit through a concrete footing

Once I was committed to it, I found there was a lot more cutting involved.

The solution was to attack this concrete with a diamond wheel on an angle grinder. Cutting grooves 25mm apart allowed me to chisel out strips using an impact drill. With only a 125mm grinding wheel I found the cuts were shallow, which forced the removal of a broad swathe, just to get to the depth required.

conduit through a concrete footing

Thankfully this was on a hillside and the trench wasn’t hard to work in.

So after spending an hour or more with co-workers taking the piss about my abilities as an open cut miner, I finally got the conduit to turn and trimmed off half the sweep bend to get a nice smooth curve into the downhill trench. Hooray.

When Things Get Personal

When concreters arrived at my Mum’s to pour a new bathroom floor for a disabled access bathroom, they found me rearranging their formwork and subsequently abandoned the day’s activity.

The entire point of the renovation was to remove a 10mm step which made wheelchair access difficult. There was a bath removed and a door widened too, but the step was the bugbear which had to be ironed out.

So you can imagine the look on my face when I found a 30mm step formed up and a concreter saying “Mate you can just put a rubber strip there for a ramp”.

No sunshine, we’re not doing that just to make your day easy. In the end we saved a couple tonnes of heartache before they were poured, but it took some pointing and swearing to arrive at a compromise.

Set Your Expectations Or Have Disappointment Set In Stone

When setting up posts for a switchboard or ducts to carry cables to a new battery installation, the golden rule is to screw your conduits down, glue the joints and seal the ends with duct tape at the very least.

When you want a small step at the battery shed doorway to stop rubbish blowing under the door, I’ve found the best approach is installing a 15mm steel angle at the right level. Make sure it will withstand being walked on because setting a hard rule is the only way to get what you want.

Remember there will be blokes with shovels pushing tonnes of liquid gravel around, and they don’t give a rats ringpiece about how straight your pipework looks.

Leave nothing to chance; or you’ll find out like my old mate Mark did, after they concreted his $150 cable snake into the slab.

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Footnotes

  1. Illiterate concreters is only half a joke. One tried to pass off non-structural, speed set bagged concrete as suitable for my own bathroom floor. The story of how he had to chip it out and replace it is for another day
About Anthony Bennett

Anthony joined the SolarQuotes team in 2022. He’s a licensed electrician, builder, roofer and solar installer who for 14 years did jobs all over SA - residential, commercial, on-grid and off-grid. A true enthusiast with a skillset the typical solar installer might not have, his blogs are typically deep dives that draw on his decades of experience in the industry to educate and entertain. Read Anthony's full bio.

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