Solar Panel Direction: North Doesn’t Always Give Most Energy

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Optimal Orientation For Solar Panels In Australian Capitals: Directly North Isn’t Always Best

It is generally accepted the best direction to face solar panels to get the maximum possible output is directly north.  While this is not a bad direction, it is often possible to get a very small boost by having them face slightly away from due north.  Usually facing them a little to the east will improve output, but in some locations a small nudge to the west is best.

While it doesn’t make much difference, the misapprehension that due north is always best is very common and if you believed it yourself up until now, don’t worry, it’s not your fault.  It’s the fault of the Germans.  Or at least that’s who I’m blaming.  In every location in Germany I’ve looked at due south always seems best and when solar took off Down Under this may have led people to believe due north would always be best here.1

There are two reasons why a direction other than true north can be a little bit better:

  • Lower average temperature in the morning can cause solar panels to operate more efficiently than in the afternoon, giving those that face a little to the east a slight advantage.
  • Average cloud cover can be consistently greater during certain times of day.  This is often in the afternoon which gives a slight disadvantage to panels that face west, but in some places it can be the other way around.

There are definitely good reasons for not facing solar panels in the direction of maximum possible output.  A household can increase their self consumption of solar electricity by positioning panels so they’ll produce less energy overall, but more during periods when electricity use is high.  Also, if feed-in tariffs based on either wholesale electricity prices or the time of day become popular — or compulsory — then maximizing the feed-in tariff received could make more economic sense for a household than maximizing total output.

But maximizing output is often the best choice at the moment.  This is especially true for larger systems where the extra feed-in tariff received from the extra output will often outweigh any benefit from increasing solar self-consumption.  It is also the best choice for the environment as the greater output will displace more fossil fuel generation.  For this reason, if you’re not sure what’s the best direction to face your panels, I say go for maximum output.

Of course, most people don’t get to decide which direction they face their solar panels.  It’s determined by the shape of their roof.  So to help people decide what is the best direction to face their panels, for all the Australian capitals I’ll describe:

  • The direction in which panels will generate over 99.9% of maximum possible output.
  • The range over which they will generate at least 99% of maximum possible output.
  • The range over which they will generate at least 95%, 90%, and finally 85% of maximum possible output.

I will be using the PVWatts site to determine these values.  This means I run the risk of being incorrect if their Australian database is off or doesn’t run its calculations correctly in.  But it is made by the United States’ National Renewable Energy Laboratory, who are a pretty canny lot, and I feel confident their results will be at least close to correct.

A Matter Of Degrees

I will give you the results in degrees.  By this I don’t mean I’ll tell you the results slowly or gradually.  What I mean is I’ll give you them in the form of a circle’s 360 degrees where north is 0 degrees, east is 90 degrees, and west is 270 degrees.  The image below shows how degrees and compass directions work:

Compass degrees and direction

Image: Wikipedia

I will also meticulously prepare highly informative and easy to understand graphics for you.  Either that, or I’ll just dump the raw information on Finn and convince him to do it.2  Actually, that seems easiest now I think about it.

The Optimal Direction For Maximum Output!

If I put all my results into a table I get this:

optimal solar panel orientation

But it will probably be much easier to follow the wonderful graphic Finn has made for each capital:

Best solar panel direction - Adelaide

Best solar panel direction - Brisbane

Best solar panel direction - Canberra

Best solar panel direction - Darwin

Best solar panel direction - Hobart

Best solar panel direction - Melbourne

Best solar panel direction - Perth

Best solar panel direction - Sydney

While due north isn’t quite perfect, it turns out to be pretty close, as panels facing that way will produce at least 99% of their maximum possible output in every capital except Darwin, where it will be just below that amount.

Darwin in the far north, where the sun is always high in the sky, offers the greatest flexibility in positioning panels for high output.  Hobart in the far south is far worse, with output falling the fastest of all the capitals as panels are shifted away from their optimum position.

In four capitals — Adelaide, Brisbane, Canberra, and Darwin — solar panels will generate at least 85% of the maximum when facing directly east or directly west while Melbourne just barely fails to make it into this group.

The Worst Direction For Solar Panels

Now I’ve worked out the best direction, along with reasonable directions, I may as well work out the worst direction for each capital.

Below I’ve listed the worst direction solar panels can face for each capital — which is never very far from 180 degrees due south — and what percentage their annual output would be compared to facing the optimal direction.  Because the output varies according to the slope of the roof I have assumed it will be 20 degrees, which is a nice round figure between the most common slopes of 15 and 22.5 degrees.  The results for both of these roof slopes will be very close to the figures below:

  • Adelaide:  184 degrees   74%
  • Brisbane:  177 degrees   71%
  • Canberra:  178 degrees   72%
  • Darwin:  199 degrees   83%
  • Hobart:  193 degrees   66%
  • Melbourne:  186 degrees   71%
  • Perth:  194 degrees   73%
  • Sydney:  187 degrees   72%

In a typical capital you can expect solar panels facing the worst direction to produce around 28% less energy than those facing the best.  The standouts are Darwin with only a 17% reduction and Hobart where total output is reduced by 33%.

Given the very rapid payback of north facing solar power, which is even better than when I wrote this article on it, south facing solar can definitely can definitely pay for itself for many households.  So whether you have no choice because of the shape of your roof or because you want your roof to produce the most solar energy possible, south facing panels can be a viable option.

South Facing Solar Can Suck In Winter

One thing to note is south facing solar produces much more output in summer than winter.  In Sydney, typical south facing solar panels will produce over 5 times more energy in December than June, while in Hobart the difference between those months will be more than 10 to 1. This means a household’s self consumption of solar energy from south facing panels is likely to be much less than from panels facing other directions, which is a consideration when deciding to install them.


  1. I even consulted with Dr Inga Rachelle Ernst and she agreed with me.  Ernst is an actor turned film maker and environmental activist from Germany who has directed a number of environmental documentaries including Die Gutt Erde, Eine Unbequeme Wahrheit, and Extremer Naturalismus Siebenundzwanzig.
  2. Finn!  I’m too stupid to do vectors!  Will you make my gwaphics for me?  Pwease?  Pwetty pwease?
About Ronald Brakels

Many years ago now, Ronald Brakels was born in Toowoomba. He first rose to international prominence when his township took up a collection to send him to Japan, which was the furthest they could manage with the money they raised. He became passionately interested in environmental matters upon his return to Australia when the local Mayor met him at the airport and explained it was far too dangerous for him to return to Toowoomba on account of climate change and mutant attack goats. Ronald then moved to a property in the Adelaide Hills where he now lives with his horse, Tonto 23.


  1. Unless you are building a new house then applying this theory is going to very difficult or near impossible on existing house that faces North. Would be better to make your Solar panels track and follow the sun.

  2. On this topic I found something really odd that I was not expecting.
    I have many panels on 3 sides of my house. In fact I swapped out 21 panels from North to South when I upgraded the North panels.
    In this summer past I found that the array on my South side produced higher peak production days than it did when the panels were on the North ( by 3 kWh ). For example the peak day for this array was nudging 34 kWh in mid summer 18 but in mid summer 19 it produced a number of days above 34 and up to 37kWh. Explain that please?

    The whole array was moved from North 12 deg to South 192 deg
    I’m in Adelaide and there are no shade issues.
    The array in question comprises 21 x 260W and a Bosch 4.6 inverter

    • It could be a case of in Adelaide them north facing panels are getting very hot and later in the day after 11 am the South panels are not cloud covered

      • Hmm, the peak days usually occurred on days under 35 deg anyway, usually the peak happens on a mild day the first or second of a streak of no cloud.

    • Ronald Brakels says

      Hi Mark

      That does seem odd. According to PVWatts in January, Adelaide’s sunniest month, your north facing panels should be producing 6.5% more per kilowatt than your south facing panels. It it possible there is dirt on your north facing array or potentially a problem with it. While it’s not summer anymore you could put the results for your north and south arrays into the solcaster site to see if they are behaving as expected:

      • Hi Ron

        They are the same panels so it doesn’t matter what the North did or did not do this this summer. I moved the old North array to the South, yes I washed them before they were installed and you might say they were dirty the previous summer on the N – but no the 34kWh maximum day was in the year they were brand new,

        The result must be related to the 12 degree angle, from North it was slightly East but South it’s slightly West?

        • Ronald Brakels says

          Sorry, didn’t quite follow there. But according to PVWatts at least:

          They should have been producing more in summer when they were facing north. I don’t really have any idea why they might be performing better now unless there was an issue that got fixed when they were moved.

          • Yeah that’s why I was so surprised, it was meant to be better on North. I mean it was for total year production by a long way, just not peak day generation in a window of about 3-4 weeks in January, I have all the numbers that back it up.

  3. Good Article Ronald. I have built 2 systems on my properties in recent times: first off in Lismore, where the inverter is 10Kw, but output limited to 5Kw, with 3Kw of panels facing relatively East, on 15 deg pitch, & 10Kw on West side.
    That system performs well, with viable energy to fairly late in the day. (No figures because the inverter is not on the web yet, but it has averaged 40Kw/day for over 2 years. My other system is at home, where I recently replaced the system. Here, I am on 2 phase, so have 2 of 5Kw Solar Edge inverters, with Optimisers due to the shading) with 14.5Kw total panels. 8Kw facing North on 22 deg tilts (new panels on the old racking), then about 7Kw facing west on 15 deg tilt. The best output from this system was 85Kw/day, but the average so far is about 45Kw. (Only installed in November, so no full annual output). This system is restricted to 8Kw by voltage rise.
    So, what I am trying to point out is that there are other issues as well. I was surprised that the export limits do not greatly affect the system exports (in my case!). The peak generation is for such a short period, (say 3 hours) that the output is below the limit for most of the day. ´Overpowering´ the inverter is definitely worthwhile, but the rebate cuts out at 33 percent over.
    My latest system should pay for itself in less than 4 years.

  4. Karina Pettigrew. says

    We put up an evacuated tube hot water system, if the woman in the office had bleated one more time is HAS to face north. I was going to ask True north or magnetic north?
    Fitted to a roof facing 300 degrees, gets all the afternoon sun in winter, the best option for short days of winter. Windows face that way, heats the entire house…😎

  5. Of all tests I have done (in Victoria) I found West facing panels produced more output than East facing panels. I think it’s due to there being more fog/mist and other debris in the air in the mornings and by the afternoon it has all cleared.

    • Erik Christiansen says

      And west facing panels will continue to power the aircon on hot summer afternoons, after the sun has slid off the north facing array. (I’ve just received building approval for an amendment to the plans for the off-grid build, to turn the planned western gable into a 40 degree pitched hipped roof. It’ll only fit 9 x 60-cell panels, so I’ll be looking for good ones. The north facing array can be 24 panels, but why discharge a battery when a supplementary array can do the work?)

      Even if on-grid, self-powering aircon in the late afternoon would have to be a big plus.

  6. In he overall scheme of things, if the extra sunlight is so negligible when it comes to producing power, why bother about the position? When the cost of panels were so expensive then yes, it was wise to place them for any extra little output they might give – and this included the angle of degrees they were set at! No-one seems to worry to much about the angle any more – just slap them down on the roof! If output is of concern to you – now that panels are so affordable – simply install an extra panel.

  7. I’ve found on my house that a mix of panel directions, some east-ish and some west-ish, has a couple of advantages
    * during November to March the total generation per day is a few percent higher because the inverter doesn’t clip as much. The peaks generated by the two panel strings (~ 3 kW each) are about 3 hours apart, so the total generation is broader and flatter and less is clipped off (5 kW inverter)
    * my self-consumption is about 10% higher because the generation starts earlier and ends later, which lets it cover both getting up and making breakfast, as well as preparing dinner in the early evening. (During November to March, that is)

    • Ronald Brakels says

      That’s a good point, Richard. If your panel capacity is above your inverter capacity you can avoid losing the small amount of energy loss clipping can cause. This loss is in general very minor, but the gain from perfectly positioning your panels can also be very minor.

  8. I’ve heard from an installer that it can be beneficial to have some panels facing west due to a higher FIT after 3pm. I could be wrong though!

  9. I have 2 sets of panels with 2 inverters.
    20 panels facing east. 22 panels facing west.
    North side of my house could only accomodate 5 panels and south side is shaded by large trees.
    This setup suits my house as “ugly” panels can’t be seen from either the front or back of the house.
    It’s hard to notice they’re even there.
    I also have a 12kw battery.
    I don’t really care about the maximum output, as high temperatures “north facing” can reduce the efficiency of the panels altogether.
    I suggest to get a battery, as most people are at work during the day which is when they are working best.
    It’s much more efficient to store the suns power for use when the sun isn’t shining.
    If you really care about crummy feed in tariffs, then yes, put them in the best possible position. But if energy companies will pay me only 10c p/kw then I have to buy it back of them at 30c p/kw, I thought the cost of the battery justifies getting the panels in the first place.
    Get a battery and stop worrying about a 5-10% efficiency rates as the energy companies are just making money from the kilowatts you provide them.
    energy companies make 20c p/kw from the energy I supply them, I cut them off altogether and kept my solar energy stored in my battery for later use.
    Also, check out Sonnen Flat,
    They offer a set amount of kilowatts for usage per month/year. For a flat fee.
    $55 inc gst per month for 1041kw.
    That’s only if you use their battery.
    I’ve researched many companies services and this is by far the best value.

  10. Shane Hanson says

    This is an interesting idea… BUT I can do better.

    You need to orientate the panels into TWO groups, so that their production matches the peak power consumption times of the day.

    Now I do not mean literally or too the minute, but if peak power consumption is from say 8am to 10am and from 3pm to 6pm, then based on the demand, then if 40% of the power needed is at in the morning and 60% of the power is needed in the afternoon – then you split your panels into these two groups with 40% and 60% with the optimum orientation, respectively.

  11. Denis Cartledge says

    The German example isn’t a bad one.

    The largest city in Germany that is closest to the Equator is Munich at 48.13 degrees North

    the largest city in Australia that is furthermost from the Equator is Hobart at 42.88 degrees South

    There is a bit under 6 degrees (of separation 😉 ), seriously, Australia has more of its population closer to the Equator, where the Sun is (mostly) at its greatest intensity. So we can have a greater variation for panel alignment than Germany.

  12. Gregory John Olsen Esq says

    Great article, thanx Roland! 🙂

  13. Hi very technical article. I was reading the posts but could not find an answer to the question magnetic or true north, i think the difference is around 10-15 deg plus for mag north in Sydney which i can calculate as +12.6 degrees east

    • Ronald Brakels says

      Hi Rod

      The article uses true north and not magnetic north. Looking it up I see in Hobart magnetic north is 15.1 degrees (east) — the most easterly of all the capitals — but in Perth it is apparently 358.3 degrees (west).

  14. Hi Ron,

    My son and I installed identical 5 kw systems just over a year ago in Melbourne. My panels all face True North. On my sons system due to the roof design half the panels face North-East (045 degrees T) and half face North-West (315 degrees T). My sons system produces very slightly more output (0.1-0.2 Kw) each day of the year than my system. In Summer both systems maximum production is 33.2 – 33.4 kw per day. Peak production is 4.1 kw.
    Paid for over 100% of my electricity useage over the past year, powering pool and solar heater pumps. Just had to pay daily connection costs. My sons system paid for 100% of useage and daily connection costs, no pool (he doesn’t need one, he uses ours :-)) Current Victorian feed-in tariff 9.9 c/kw hr.

  15. Darren Hocking says

    +1 for mix of panel directions to match self-consumption at main usage times… eg NW is great to match afternoon self consumption for heating or cooling, entertainment etc.
    I also believe in ~20% more panel capacity than inverter capacity. This allows fatter output throughout the day rather than a focus on peak production.

    Interestingly many gum trees have pendant leaves (steep angles) to maximise solar input at start and end of days, and shut down near day’s middle when they’d waste too much water when system would be too inefficient…

  16. Michael Phillips says

    Hi Ron,
    We are planning to have a house built just west of Brisbane in the near future which is going to be totally off grid. The shed on which we are intending to put the solar panels can be orientated in any direction but we have been given conflicting advice in that one supplier advised us that the best orientation is to have the panels east west facing due to our power needs being more in the morning and late afternoon and others advising north would be best. Please can you provide your opinion to at least give us a bit more guidance on the way to orientate the panels as there is nothing worst than having a blank canvas to start and getting it wrong.

    • Ronald Brakels says

      Hi Michael

      There are different approaches that can be taken so I’ll give you my thoughts without saying this is definitely the best way to go about it.

      First off, because solar is cheaper than battery storage you should install a large solar system that will produce much more energy than you’ll actually use. This will reduce battery use during the day on cloudy and partially cloudy days and help charge the battery for the evening on those days. Because your solar system will produce more energy than you need on sunny days it can make sense to orientate panels north to maximize output on cloudy days when you need the energy most.

      But because off-grid homes can have panel capacity that is more than 133% of their inverter capacity and still receive the STCs that lower the cost of home solar, some suggest having panels face east west is better to avoid “clipping” in the middle of the day when panels produce more power than the inverter can use, but my guess is this doesn’t outweigh the benefit of facing panels north (at around 357 degrees to be precise) to maximise output on cloudy days.

      Looking at your past electricity use can give you an idea of which season you use the most electricity. Tilting panels at say 40 degrees will give a much more consistent solar output through the year than tilting at the angle of optimal annual output which is 24 degrees. Since you can’t export your surplus solar electricity for a feed-in tariff it makes sense to optimise the tilt to match your consumption.

      Using the PVWatts site can let you investigate how tilt will affect average output by month:

      • Erik Christiansen says

        Ronald, your advice on a big dipped northern array for grabbing lower winter sun is optimal, I figure. Yes, the East-West vs North dichotomy posed in the question isn’t all there is. There has to be considerable merit in a third option: Winter-optimal big north array being supplemented with a western array to grab afternoon sun after the northern array gives up. Powering an aircon in the late afternoon, without flogging the batteries, would have to be just as useful in Queensland as down here in Victoria.

        I’m happier with hitting the batteries a bit for a microwaved breakfast and a load in the washing machine early in the day, then recharging during the remainder of the day, rather than an Eastern array powering those modest loads, then flattening the batteries for the aircon in the late afternoon, with no recharging possible before the nightime loads kick in.

        • Ronald Brakels says

          Some west facing panels would certainly make sense for a household with regular high late afternoon electricity use. Mind you, my parents are nearly in the tropics and don’t use air conditioning but do heat on cloudy winter days so it will come down to individual circumstances.

      • Hi Ronald
        I am new to the forum and trying to learn what’s best for my home
        I am totally Off Grid I have 7.1 kw of solar panels and a sunny island inverter and a sunny boy 5 with 2x 13.8 BYD batteries and an 8 KVA generator set to come on at 25% battery
        I am finding it quite difficult to manage the usage of power between the pool and the home
        It can be difficult to have the battery’s fully charged in winter months and even if they are the split systems we have can drain them quite quickly
        I am contemplating going on grid rather than spending more money on panels or extra battery and I would like some good advice .

        • Ronald Brakels says

          Hi Ray

          If it’s not a large expense for you to go on-grid I would definitely recommend it. Because it will let you send excess solar electricity back into the grid for a feed-in tariff it can be worthwhile both economically and environmentally.

          If you do have to pay a considerable amount to get connected to the grid then you could instead consider if it would be cheaper to increase your solar capacity. This will help keep your batteries charged in winter and allow you to warm the house while the sun is up, reducing the need for heating in the evening. If possible, additional panels should be tilted to maximise winter output.

          • Des Scahill says

            Hi Ray,

            As an ex-pool owner in my previous home, I’d be reasonably sure that 7.1 KW of panels, wouldn’t generate enough to run a pool filter, and any associated chlorinator (if your pool is a salt water one), on top of a normal household consumption level, and as well, also re-charge a battery to replenish for your evening usage.

            Living in QLD, you normally have to run your pool filter about 8 hours a day in summer, and 4 – 6 hours a day the rest of the year to keep it hygienic. And there may be extra as well for cleaning with creepy-crawly. A standard pool pump is usually 1 KW. So.. if your ‘normal’ household usage was (say) 15 Kwh plus (say) 7 kwh on average for the pool pump, you’d be consuming 22 kwh per day as a bare minimum for a two person household, before any extra heating or cooling costs.

            Running the filter nearer dawn and twilight is more effective for chlorination purposes, as it gives the chlorine more time to be spread through-out the whole pool and kill off the ‘nasties’ before the chlorine level in water gets rapidly lowered by direct sunlight, Having some pool shading helps too.

            Throw in some extra heating in winter, or air-conditioning in summer and I can see why you would be struggling to fully replenish the battery. Ron’s suggestion of extra panels tilted to maximize generation later in the day ( and maybe perhaps facing somewhat westerly) would seem to be the best alternative if you want to remain ‘grid independent’.

            I wouldn’t count on the FIT being around forever either.

            I’m not sure either what you meant by ‘off-grid’ – ie. restricted to just being off-grid for only electricity, or being fully self-sufficient. With rainfall decline/drought here already with more to come, water supply for a pool could be difficult or very expensive to source in the future. Evaporation rate will almost certainly rise.

            The old adage : ‘A swimming pool is a hole in the ground that you pour money into’ may well take on an added meaning in the near future.

          • Re pools: I run a pool on timed day running. I use an Eco-pump (inverter driven) that use MUCH less power. I would also suggest using a silver Ioniser. Normally these are used with non-chlorine oxidisers, but I suggest using chlorine, as a chlorinator in a salt pool or other form of chlorine. Personally, I use a passive liquid chlorine feeder (a copy of an Aquinqator: a yankee patent). You can reduce the chlorine: personally, with my sysytem I run 1 to 1.5ppm, about half the normal. I also do not use stabiliser (Cyanuric acid) which is a poison. (The chlorine gets replenished when the pump runs).
            If you are contemplating going off grid, I would recommend HEAPS of panels: 15-25 Kw if you want to be reliably off grid. You would also need 3 days storage & a backup generator. Not a cheap option!.
            Personally, I think Grid connection is still viable unless the connection cost get unrealistic. I feel the daily cost is low compared to maintaing a rel;iable off-grid system.

  17. Michael Phillips says

    Hi Ron,

    Thanks for your comments which are more than valuable as we are novices when it comes to solar power. In considering your comments and those made by Erik above it would seem that a north facing array with some west facing panels would be the way to go. Would you be able to advise on how many west facing panels would be recommended. The system we are considering consists of 10Kw array with 25Kwh of batteries.



    • Ronald Brakels says

      That will depend on what you expect your afternoon electricity consumption to be like. If you think you’ll be running one room air conditioner you’ll need less late afternoon solar power than if you are planning to run a large ducted air conditioner that cools many rooms.

      Six kilowatts of north facing solar with 4 kilowatts of north-west facing solar may meet your needs while only resulting in a small reduction in total output compared to having 10 kilowatts facing north. But without knowing more details that’s only an educated guess. Whoever you chose to do the installation should be able to plan your solar arrays so they’ll be appropriate for your consumption patterns.

      • Ronald & Mike,
        agreed, but it does depend on the roof. Be careful if there is ANY overshadowing. In my 2 private installations, I have on the first:
        10Kw Fronius with 13Kw of panels, 10Kw on the west, 3Kw on the East. This is on a roof with virtually no possibility of shading. The future possible potential of shading from some trees on the west was allowed for by setting all potential shaded panels in one string to minimise any possible losses. There are no optimisers required on this system. This system averages better than 40Kw/day.
        The second system:
        2 Phase, so 2 Solar Edge 5 Kw inverters, with 14.5Kw of panels with optimisers. This is set up with 14 + 14 panels on the shed roof on abt 20 deg tilts facing North (14 on each inverter), then 12 + 12 panels facing west on 15 deg slope. This has tree overshadowing after abt 14:00. The Optimisers do a great job on this system, & it averages so far also around 40Kw/day. The advantage of optimisers is the strings can be unequal on the inverter, & the optimisers compensate for the low performing panels so everything just works. (Micro-inverters are another option too). This system has some recycled panels because it is over the 33 percent allowed for rebates: This system replaced a smaller one damaged by hail. The best o/p over summer was 86Kw, & regularly over 75Kw. I am in Lismore, NSW. (Only installed in November, so no longer term data).
        So, my recommendation is to see how many panels will fit, any overshadowing issues then design the system around that. Use the 33% extra panels on the inverter if possible to fit. Use either optimisers or microinverters if there is any shading, or if the string is split on 2 directions.

        The (cricket ball sized) Hail damage was interesting: the earliest 180W panels were OK, but the newer 275W panels initially inspected after the storm were OK, but after 6 months of heat-cold cycling I inspected them & of the 15 panels, most had micro-cracks in some cells. The glass was not damaged. This was evident as cracks radiating from an impact point on damaged cells: possibly a single cell damaged on one panel, & multiple cell damage on other panels. The insurance company replaced the system after I had quoted both repair & system replacement (then added my money to really increase system size!). So, if you suffer hail damage, have the panels checked 6 months or so after the initial storm too!

  18. Thanks for the article. A little bit (alot) of it was over my head so hoping I could get some advice.

    I’m in the process of getting solar and because I have limited roof space, the largest north-facing system I have been quoted is 4kw (13x315w panels), which would put a dent in my electricity bills but not as much as i’d ideally like.

    I asked the question about using the south facing side of my roof and they came back with a new quote adding 8 of the same panels for an additional $900, and going from a 4kw system to a 6.6kw.

    We average about 20kWh usage per day and night usage varies from very little to either a split or a couple of column heaters during the really hot/cold nights.

    So my question is, does the additional $900 warrant the benefits i’ll gain from adding the south facing panels? I’m not sure if it shortens the payback time but the place that has quoted me said it would by potentially a year.

    Hoping to get a second opinion please and my apologies if any of the terminology i have used is incorrect.

    • Ronald Brakels says

      Hi Michael

      I’d say it’s almost certainly worth it because you are getting an extra 2.52 kilowatts for only $900. I don’t know your location, but south facing panels will typically generate at least 70% as much as those facing north. Even if you are in Melbourne you can expect those eight additional panels to produce around 2,250 kilowatt-hours a year. In Melbourne it is possible to get an 18 cent solar feed-in tariff, so even if you never used any of that solar electricity yourself it would lower your electricity bills by $400 a year and so pay for itself very quickly.

      I’d say the only reasons it wouldn’t be worth it is if the southern roof suffers from shading or possibly if you can’t get a good feed-in tariff for some reason.

      • Thank you very much Ronald. When you put it like that, it seems like a no-brainer but makes me wonder why they didn’t mention using the south facing side in the initial consult. Either way, i’m happy i asked the question and will be definitely going down that path.

        Thanks again.

      • So, by nature any southern facing roof line will technically be”shaded” due no direct sun…
        I know they will generate some electricity, but when you refer to shading what do you mean?

        • Ronald Brakels says

          In Australia south facing roofs get direct sun. Unless a roof is exceptionally steep it will need to be a lot closer to the south pole to never get sunlight on it. But the sunlight energy will be less per square meter of roof reducing the output but a little under 30% compared to north facing panels in most of Australia. By shading I mean shade from trees or whatever blocking sunlight falling on the south facing roof.

  19. Hi All, can someone please tell me how much efficiency will be lost if solar PV panels are installed facing South at 8 degrees. I am not sure how to work that out. I have a friend building a house that wants his roof facing south, and wants to install 8kW of PV, but I fear he will be throwing away money,. I am trying to suggest that he should instead try and have enough north (or NE/NW) facing roof space for his PV system. Personally I find facing solar panels south crazy, but I need some numbers to put him off the idea. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated, by me and the environment : ) Our postcode is 4220 (Gold Coast). Latitude of 28 degrees. (so I think ideally, solar north at a 28 degree pitch would maximise the efficiency?)

    • Ronald Brakels says

      Hi Ben

      If his roof only has an 8 degree slope then panels facing directly south will produce 90% as many kilowatt-hours annually as ones facing directly north on that slope. You can check this using the PV watts site:

      The closest available location it provides information for is Brisbane, but it should still be reasonably accurate.

      So while it would be better to have north facing panels, south facing ones aren’t a huge problem at the Gold Coast’s latitude, especially with a gently sloping roof. But your friend should be aware his winter solar production will be low compared to summer.

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